Vaccine

met61 said:
Works how? Vaccinated still contract and spread.
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Vaccinated folks can spread covid, but we aren't very good at it. The immune system lowers the viral load before we can infect all that many people.
We also tend to get less sick, so we don't show up as hospitalizations.

Unvaccinated people who never had covid are much more efficient at infecting others. Their immune system doesn't know what to do, so it takes longer to decrease the viral load. That means they are contagious for a longer time. More time means more new people infected.

The unvaccinated are also are far more likely to be hospitalized.

But you knew all that, right? Why ask?
 
Dad of 4 kids said this last night. Crush response in (( )). These people........

Unvaccinated people who never had covid are much more efficient at infecting others. ((How do you or anyone making such a bold statement know if they never had Domic AI? How would you or any Doc know for certain that an anti-vaxer Schmuck like Crush has IT and then handed IT off to you someone like you Dad, a Pro-Vaxer? Where is the link with factual numbers based on your assumption?)

Their immune system doesn't know what to do. ((No dad, you don;t know how to live a healthy life style and instead you inject exerimental toxic mix into your blood stream. Plus, you promote the Jab as safe and something excellent to add to one's blood stream)).

it takes longer to decrease the viral load. ((Whacko & Coo Coo))

That means they are contagious for a longer time. ((Crazy talk. Link please))

More time means more new people infected. ((Blame it on the rain loser))

The unvaccinated are also are far more likely to be hospitalized ((Oh really?))

Dad, I know 100% you watch CNN and read CNN.com. Bruddah IZ and Crush have been preaching a healthy life style forever. If your job requires travel and bars, then by all means you can get the Jabber Doo to feel safer and wear three mask. I think what I'm seeing now is people are jealous and now mad at me and IZ because we made the right call and they are starting to second guess the 2nd jab. Just so you know, adding a foreign mix of shit to anyone's blood cells and the stream the blood flows is super risky life style. The Rats said no bro, did you know that? If you work from home like IZ or out at Camp Site like me, then no Jabber needed. You and the others can have the city life, bars, airports, hotels, restaurants, galas and just the good life. Enjoy the boosters bitch......lol!!! TGIF!!!
 
dad4 said:
Vaccinated folks can spread covid, but we aren't very good at it. The immune system lowers the viral load before we can infect all that many people.
We also tend to get less sick, so we don't show up as hospitalizations.

Unvaccinated people who never had covid are much more efficient at infecting others. Their immune system doesn't know what to do, so it takes longer to decrease the viral load. That means they are contagious for a longer time. More time means more new people infected.

The unvaccinated are also are far more likely to be hospitalized.

But you knew all that, right? Why ask?
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Ah, I see...vaccine use to mean immunity...but now is defined as "less sick"... dizzying.
 
Grace T. said:
What good did our wearing masks crossing the dining room actually do?
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None whatsoever.

Masks wont stop this thing.

Remember at the beginning when people pointed out that the airflow just goes in different directions and @dad4 said that was BS. I notice recently he used the word PLUMES when he talks about masks. As in yeah I guess the air just goes a different direction and the virus will end up flowing freely all around.

So keep that in mind as they make you wear a mask on a plane.

The only masks that make a difference are the n95 masks. And the problem with those is 1) even the medical profession has to be trained to use them and 2) they are only designed for short periods of time.

Masks be it surgical or cloth are security theater.

Respect the plume!
 
met61 said:
Ah, I see...vaccine use to mean immunity...but now is defined as "less sick"... dizzying.
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Yeah, certain viruses mutate to quickly/easily for a vaccine to be of any use. HIV is one. Some don’t, such as measles, so one vaccine may completely protect you (can’t get it, can’t spread it) for life. COVID-19 is somewhere in between. At some point it’s very likely the original vaccine won’t offer any protection from a new variant. However, the vaccine may offer “partial” protection - less severe case and shorter duration - from variants that haven’t move too far from the original version of the virus that was used as the basis for the vaccine.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yeah, certain viruses mutate to quickly/easily for a vaccine to be of any use. HIV is one. Some don’t, such as measles, so one vaccine may completely protect you (can’t get it, can’t spread it) for life. COVID-19 is somewhere in between. At some point it’s very likely the original vaccine won’t offer any protection from a new variant. However, the vaccine may offer “partial” protection - less severe case and shorter duration - from variants that haven’t move too far from the original version of the virus that was used as the basis for the vaccine.
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And what that means is the covid is likely to be endemic like the flu.

It is never going away.

At some point people need to realize that and adjust their perception of risk (many dramatically overstate the risk to themselves) and move on and live a normal life.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I actually don't doubt the value vaccines. ...
But to your point, I don't know enough about monoclonals to opine. All I know is that Desantis is making all you ANTI-IMMUNE SYSTEM movement folks look bad with the kind of numbers the state is churning out despite their OPEN status.
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I don't know why you are insisting that those advocating vaccines as the safer route to gaining immunity are somehow anti-immune system. Or maybe that's not your argument? In any case, Florida has the worst death rate per 100,000 people right now of all states, and also are tied for, or the worst in the US, when comparing nursing home death rates. I don't think these are good numbers. Maybe Desantis personal finance numbers are looking good? - he invested in some of the monoclonal antibody pharmaceutical companies.

I think having legitimate tools to prevent infection and to help people fight infections (including mAb) are helpful. There is also plenty of history showing the value of vaccines in combatting the spread of infectious disease. I am hoping that the current ebola vaccine trial goes well.
 
dad4 said:
Vaccinated folks can spread covid, but we aren't very good at it. The immune system lowers the viral load before we can infect all that many people.
We also tend to get less sick, so we don't show up as hospitalizations.

Unvaccinated people who never had covid are much more efficient at infecting others. Their immune system doesn't know what to do, so it takes longer to decrease the viral load. That means they are contagious for a longer time. More time means more new people infected.

The unvaccinated are also are far more likely to be hospitalized.

But you knew all that, right? Why ask?
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You are fundamentally correct. The issue is the linear approach. Public health has lost its way during this pandemic. Imagine a system that encourages the medical community to vaccinate and treat at the same time. Testing early/often, early disease intervention, no stigma attached to creative treatments prescribed by your doctor. But we'll continue to politicize and divide. Not everyone is going to get vaccinated, especially those that know they've had a previous infection.

We'll also continue to not acknowledge that the vaccines aren't working as well as many thought. We thought we could vaccinate our way out of this. It's obvious that's not the case. Do the vaccines work? Sure, they work good enough and they are an effective tool.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Yeah, certain viruses mutate to quickly/easily for a vaccine to be of any use. HIV is one. Some don’t, such as measles, so one vaccine may completely protect you (can’t get it, can’t spread it) for life. COVID-19 is somewhere in between. At some point it’s very likely the original vaccine won’t offer any protection from a new variant. However, the vaccine may offer “partial” protection - less severe case and shorter duration - from variants that haven’t move too far from the original version of the virus that was used as the basis for the vaccine.
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kickingandscreaming said:
Yeah, certain viruses mutate to quickly/easily for a vaccine to be of any use. HIV is one. Some don’t, such as measles, so one vaccine may completely protect you (can’t get it, can’t spread it) for life. COVID-19 is somewhere in between. At some point it’s very likely the original vaccine won’t offer any protection from a new variant. However, the vaccine may offer “partial” protection - less severe case and shorter duration - from of that haven’t move too far from the original version of the virus that was used as the basis for the vaccine.
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Hence, the CDC changes the definition...

...and "certain viruses"; "to be of any use"; "Some don’t"; "somewhere in between"; "At some point"; "it’s very likely"; "won’t offer any protection"; "may offer “partial” protection"

... that's a lot of gray-area and uncertainty for a MANDATE.
 
met61 said:
Hence, the CDC changes the definition...

...and "certain viruses"; "to be of any use"; "Some don’t"; "somewhere in between"; "At some point"; "it’s very likely"; "won’t offer any protection"; "may offer “partial” protection"

... that's a lot of gray-area and uncertainty for a MANDATE.
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Agree.
 
Roadrunner said:
I don't know why you are insisting that those advocating vaccines as the safer route to gaining immunity are somehow anti-immune system. Or maybe that's not your argument? In any case, Florida has the worst death rate per 100,000 people right now of all states, and also are tied for, or the worst in the US, when comparing nursing home death rates. I don't think these are good numbers. Maybe Desantis personal finance numbers are looking good? - he invested in some of the monoclonal antibody pharmaceutical companies.

I think having legitimate tools to prevent infection and to help people fight infections (including mAb) are helpful. There is also plenty of history showing the value of vaccines in combatting the spread of infectious disease. I am hoping that the current ebola vaccine trial goes well.
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...could be the same reason you are insisting that those who advocate a healthy immune system over a trial drug are anti-vaxxers...funny how that works.
 
Desert Hound said:
This is the idiocy that spreads.

Consider the very high vax rate.

Consider that college age kids have no risk of covid

Then consider what Brown is doing.

www.thecollegefix.com

Brown suspends in-person gatherings despite nearly 98% vaccination rate, no COVID outbreak | The College Fix

Vaccinated students have also been told to wear masks inside their off-campus residences except when eating alone.
www.thecollegefix.com www.thecollegefix.com
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Same reason they can make Grace T walk masked through a restaurant while tables full of unmasked are eating...because they can.
 
They love being controlled, dominated and told what to do fellas and wear to go and who they can go with. It's 100% a cult and It's 100% in their DNA and blood. They need AI blood work to survive and want us to contaminate our pure blood from a very high source of bloodline. I love my bloodline and do not want anything added to it that Dr. Fruad, Bill, Jeffrey developed in Wuhan. We non-jabbers have different DNA & Blood. We think outside the box, we critical think first, we ask questions, we love the truth, no matter what, we have been lied to in the past, we see how these same losers acted on FB in 2016 when HRC lost and lastly, we can survive without being told how to walk and talk and we can chew gum at same time when we talk & talk & 100% not afraid to speak our minds. I totally get it now and now I have empathy towards those WHO need a a boss lady or boss man to boss you around.
 
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