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kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I can see Homer Simpson sitting there pondering his next move to decrease his risk. "I can start exercising, eat healthier foods, and drink less alcohol or, I can try to force others to do something I already did. Hmmmm."
Bruddah IZ
DA
Apparently not.
what-happened
GOLD
That's great for SD county. I haven't seen the latest this week but 7 days ago CA was sitting at around 30% vaccination rates for the hispanic community. Good to see it trending up. Plenty of politcis around vaxx/anti vaxx. The reality is in many places it's not about the politics but rather the outreach.
The reporting last spring was well beyond avoiding fat shaming.
We were so afraid of offending overweight people that we wound up withholding critical medical information from them.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Yeah, it was case hyping like it is now. San Diego more than doubled cases yoy but is at .007 for IFR while last Sept. 15th there were less cases pre-vax, max mask, and an IFR of .017. Btw overweight people knew what they were dealing with. No critical info. was being witheld.
younothat
PREMIER
The resources we are using vs Covid 19 compared to everything else is just out of wacked and not balanced. Picking only one thing a only focusing on that is misguided
What are the leading causes of death in the US?
How about we spend equal or any where near what we are on Covid-19 and testing on some of the above.
If its really about health how about a change? Less for just COVID-19 and more to address the above.
What are the leading causes of death in the US?
- Heart disease.
- Cancer.
- Unintentional injuries.
- Chronic lower respiratory disease.
- Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases.
- Alzheimer's disease.
- Diabetes.
How about we spend equal or any where near what we are on Covid-19 and testing on some of the above.
If its really about health how about a change? Less for just COVID-19 and more to address the above.
For 2020, Covid goes in the #3 slot on your list. Just above unintentional injuries and below cancer.
The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020
This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.
jamanetwork.com
It will probably be #3 for 2021 as well, even without delta. The Jan-March numbers were that bad.
Without a major public health effort, covid would have been the #1 cause of death in both years.
So, not as misguided as you say. Covid was, and remains, a significant public health problem.
Gaslighting
No nationals or double ruby pin? Lightweight.
Much to my parents pulling out their hair, I was much more into the horsey ribbons. Horsey ribbons almost 100X as expensive as soccer trophies.
Vermont COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Vermont COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Iceland COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Iceland Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
and these are vaccine + masks
Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Oregon COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Oregon COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Yeah, I know....it's always in the definition....you consider "highly vaccinated" as the 90s. It will be interesting. Places like NYC, Madrid, Singapore, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Boston should, between natural immunity and vaccination, be in the low 90s (excluding children under 12) by October/November. Do they get spared a winter wave?
As we've discussed, I think it's really a function about whose right about fading immunity: the Israelis, Fauci & Co. or the English.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Without a major public health effort for heart disease and cancer, COVID will never be #1 or #2 for that matter. If COVID did become 1 or 2, that would make your major public health effort not so major. The Anti-immune system movement is anti-liberty and anti-human rights.For 2020, Covid goes in the #3 slot on your list. Just above unintentional injuries and below cancer.
The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020
This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.
It will probably be #3 for 2021 as well, even without delta. The Jan-March numbers were that bad.
Without a major public health effort, covid would have been the #1 cause of death in both years.
So, not as misguided as you say. Covid was, and remains, a significant public health problem.
Herd immunity threshold is 1-1/R. Total pop, not just 12+.Vermont COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Vermont COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.
Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Iceland COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Iceland Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
and these are vaccine + masks
Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Oregon COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Oregon COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.
Yeah, I know....it's always in the definition....you consider "highly vaccinated" as the 90s. It will be interesting. Places like NYC, Madrid, Singapore, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Boston should, between natural immunity and vaccination, be in the low 90s (excluding children under 12) by October/November. Do they get spared a winter wave?
As we've discussed, I think it's really a function about whose right about fading immunity: the Israelis, Fauci & Co. or the English.
You can’t just say ‘we have a 60% vax rate, why isn’t it over?”. If you have a 60% vax rate and the disease has R=8, then you are not there yet.
SCC look good only because we have over 70% vaccinated, and we have significant prior infections, and we are still using masks, and we kept other NPI. Even then, our cases decline only slowly.
So if I read you correctly you are banking on the 5-12 vaxx (and/oor infection running through that group prior to winter) to end it, and you are also banking on there being negligible waning from vaccine immunity (e.g. Fauci/Israelis are wrong)?
A fairly simple outline of the legal arguments against the Biden vaccine mandate written for non-lawyers
GoldenGate
GOLD
Aha. It looks like now we know how Grace T. has managed to not work in her adult life: mooching off her parents to maintain her privileged lifestyle. Back in the day they paid for equestrian, and now they pay for everything Grace T.?
Says the troll from his parents basement…..
For SCC, 5-12 and Biden's mandate should do it. We may be also stuck with indoor masks during winter as a social thing indefinitely. Might be a booster eventually.
For the southeast and upper midwest? They're just going to keep getting sick until they hit their 90-95%. Wish it weren't true.
The "peter out" (see espola...more quotes!!!) theory is dependent on two assumptions: 1) no waning vaccine immunity, and 2) the variants don't continue to evade both natural and vaccine immunity.
The problem with the masks forever is that you are essentially condemning the office to death. Masks to the upper middle class are a signal it's not safe. If it's not safe, you can't demand people return to the offices (particularly given the trend to shared space, open offices).
This part --
I fear that mandating vaccines will have the unintended consequence of increasing vaccine hesitancy. As any parent or teacher knows, when you order people to do something, they are motivated to do the opposite. Some employees will submit fraudulent vaccine records. Others will simply refuse to get their shots, and dare employers to fire them. And countless state governments, employers and employees will go to court to halt this program.
Predicting childish behavior by the portion of the population that has already demonstrated it doesn't take much thought. The rest of it looks like it was an assignment to write a given viewpoint, paid by the word.