Vaccine

I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
The only people I know who have refused to take the shot are those that have had it before except for 1 hard core anti vax family who just doesn't trust public health given what they've done to date.

It may surprise you to learn that I'm annoyed with the anti-vax minority too (at least the ones that can't prove they've had it)....but I also know contempt isn't the answer, and government overreach isn't either.
 
Nah, but evil goalie seems to be his mirrored doppleganger for your team. Little joke...I actually like the way he engages crush. You guys needs a Bruddah too.

That's funny. For my part, I ended up with the idea that you and E were an old married couple finding a safe way to argue, kind of like taking turns screaming at the GPS trying to find parking in downtown LA.
 
Wow...I reach out my hand and this is what you come back with? BTW, you've tipped your hand so you clearly know who EOTL and why it's of relevance (otherwise you would have tried a "EOTL, what's that?" And I don't know if you realize it, you are like a dog obsessively locked in with a bone. O.k....no denial, we go with 1 then. Blocked, thanks for playing.

Argument by assertion, etc.
 
But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.
Based on the data it won't be over.

The vaxxed carry high viral loads and spread it.

To pretend that if everyone were vaxxed will stop the spread is well...fantasy.

If on the other hand the vaxxed didnt spread the virus then you would have a point. But the latest info shows this isn't the case.

That isn't an argument not to get vaxxed if one wants to. But to run around saying it would be almost over if everyone was vaxxed shows that person/people are not following the fact that vaxxed people are spreading covid.
 
I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
I'm sorry that you have friends that feel that way and are playing the victim card. I suspect very few of those that aren't getting the shot believe that they are filled with computer chips and can make you magnetic, those people are idiots. Most normal people are vaccinated and living their lives as usual. They've done their part and aren't looking to scapegoat anyone else.

On the flip side, it takes a special kind of person to not understand that immunity from prior infection is vastly superior to vaccinated immunity.
 
Based on the data it won't be over.

The vaxxed carry high viral loads and spread it.

To pretend that if everyone were vaxxed will stop the spread is well...fantasy.

If on the other hand the vaxxed didnt spread the virus then you would have a point. But the latest info shows this isn't the case.

That isn't an argument not to get vaxxed if one wants to. But to run around saying it would be almost over if everyone was vaxxed shows that person/people are not following the fact that vaxxed people are spreading covid.
The straw they are clinging too is: but on the whole the vaxxed have lower viral loads than the unvaxxed even though a particular vaxxed person can have viral loads as high, maybe masks get us the rest of the way, and the boosters hopefully act like chicken pox vaccination and confer more robust long lasting immunity (even though neither Biden nor the FDA have this long term data at their disposal and are just guessing/hoping). It's straw clinging, hoping they are right, because they can't live with the reality that this might actually be endemic and some group of people will die for years to come....that would lead to despair.
 
My how things change. I know they are memes....but...

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And it seems just a few months ago it was Jim Crow to demand and ID that everyone has...but today?

By the way as of mid Aug about half of NY City was not vaxxed.

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That's the irony of most of the Covid policies (like education and vaccine mandates). They disproportionally impact minorities and the underprivileged. It's a shame, and incredibly ironic, that they are the real victims of the left wing's war against white privilege.
 
I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
Having contempt is a waste of time. Plenty of people have good reason to not get vaxxed. The magnetic field believing people are a small minority and referencing them is foolish and not very productive.

Vaccination velocity is increasing amongst those that have been vax hesistant for no other reason than not trusting the government. There are going to be plenty of people who don't vax because they've already been infected. Really hard to make the case for their vaccination. Too much data out there that supports their decision.

This will eventually fade into the background and circualte just like many viruses do. If the goal is to stop the transmission and prevent new variants, then 2020 style restrctions will have to be put in place. Vaccinated people still get infected and transmit. There is zero appetite for lockdowns.

The herd immunity train left the station a while ago.
 
I find war a very weird metaphor to assert individualism.

Armies are not collections of isolated people, each doing whatever they please.

It works in fiction. But in the real world, an individualist soldier is rogue. Less like Braveheart and more like Heart of Darkness.

I agree with you. The genius of Crush is his ability to take the gestalt of the conversation with all its "ifs" "ands" and "buts" and distill it down to 100% metaphorical proof. New vaccine guidelines => => => war. Sometimes I wonder if he's a retired George Lakoff having a little jest with himself seeing if he can place us all in the same frame. Notice how Gibson plays the Wallace character in the movie, however. Always leading, directing, being revered, center of attention. the ultimate ubermensch. In that sense I thought the choice of image was interesting and was/am playing with it a bit. Once you sign up with team Evil it's kind of like that. Work, work, work.
 
I'm sorry that you have friends that feel that way and are playing the victim card. I suspect very few of those that aren't getting the shot believe that they are filled with computer chips and can make you magnetic, those people are idiots. Most normal people are vaccinated and living their lives as usual. They've done their part and aren't looking to scapegoat anyone else.

On the flip side, it takes a special kind of person to not understand that immunity from prior infection is vastly superior to vaccinated immunity.
Victim card?

Is that your way of saying you don't like it when someone points out that the anti-mask anti-vax folks have been keeping this disease alive and forcing the rest of us to deal with it?

Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population.

Natural immunity as a reason to avoid vaccines? I don't believe natural immunity is stronger than the combination of natural and vaccine immunity. Nor do you. They should still get the shot.
 
Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population.
Assuming, arguendo, that's even true (and look at the UK....that's simply not true...yeah I know you are talking about numbers in the high 90s which don't exist anywhere except in very well off, not very dense, very few children areas), full world vaccination isn't available until 2023 and people will still move around, seeding new outbreaks (since the vaccine is not full proof). Unless you plan to shut down all world travel substantially, a "fully vaccinated adult population" is an illusion itself.

 
I’m not threatening anything. I’m analyzing what’s going on. And I did tell you back then there would be violence from the right and I nailed that.

and yeah the rs will not live in a country where the courts allowthe federal govt to mandate via executive order anything this broad in defiance of what the individual states do. It’s the same for the ds if trump had ordered California and New York to open. Fortunately for the rs (and the survival of the republic) the rs control the courts right now.
As @dad4 points out, right-wing extremists resort to violence such as looting our cities and occupying Seattle and Portland while attacking the police and federal buildings. Or, maybe it's all extremists. My concern now is random acts of violence from the extremes that target specific people or entities that are seen to represent the "other" side. As tolerance for the "other" side decreases, it promotes more extremism. Our "salad bowl" culture has come to the point where the onions want the tomatoes to be onions and the tomatoes want the onions to be tomatoes.
 
Victim card? 100%

Is that your way of saying you don't like it when someone points out that the anti-mask anti-vax folks have been keeping this disease alive and forcing the rest of us to deal with it? Fictional narrative

Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population. You know that's false, Delta is spreading just fine in the vaccinated community, albeit better in the unvaccinated.

Natural immunity as a reason to avoid vaccines? Its a perfectly valid reason since it provides multifold better protection I don't believe natural immunity is stronger than the combination of natural and vaccine immunity. Nor do you. Espola Strawman They should still get the shot. Because your being held hostage by your own phobia?
 
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