That's the irony of most of the Covid policies (like education and vaccine mandates). They disproportionally impact minorities and the underprivileged. It's a shame, and incredibly ironic, that they are the real victims of the left wing's war against white privilege.
Vaccine
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what-happened
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Having contempt is a waste of time. Plenty of people have good reason to not get vaxxed. The magnetic field believing people are a small minority and referencing them is foolish and not very productive.
Vaccination velocity is increasing amongst those that have been vax hesistant for no other reason than not trusting the government. There are going to be plenty of people who don't vax because they've already been infected. Really hard to make the case for their vaccination. Too much data out there that supports their decision.
This will eventually fade into the background and circualte just like many viruses do. If the goal is to stop the transmission and prevent new variants, then 2020 style restrctions will have to be put in place. Vaccinated people still get infected and transmit. There is zero appetite for lockdowns.
The herd immunity train left the station a while ago.
EvilGoalie 21
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I agree with you. The genius of Crush is his ability to take the gestalt of the conversation with all its "ifs" "ands" and "buts" and distill it down to 100% metaphorical proof. New vaccine guidelines => => => war. Sometimes I wonder if he's a retired George Lakoff having a little jest with himself seeing if he can place us all in the same frame. Notice how Gibson plays the Wallace character in the movie, however. Always leading, directing, being revered, center of attention. the ultimate ubermensch. In that sense I thought the choice of image was interesting and was/am playing with it a bit. Once you sign up with team Evil it's kind of like that. Work, work, work.
You're so last century. Having contempt and being offended is all the rage.
Victim card?
Is that your way of saying you don't like it when someone points out that the anti-mask anti-vax folks have been keeping this disease alive and forcing the rest of us to deal with it?
Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population.
Natural immunity as a reason to avoid vaccines? I don't believe natural immunity is stronger than the combination of natural and vaccine immunity. Nor do you. They should still get the shot.
Assuming, arguendo, that's even true (and look at the UK....that's simply not true...yeah I know you are talking about numbers in the high 90s which don't exist anywhere except in very well off, not very dense, very few children areas), full world vaccination isn't available until 2023 and people will still move around, seeding new outbreaks (since the vaccine is not full proof). Unless you plan to shut down all world travel substantially, a "fully vaccinated adult population" is an illusion itself.
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
As @dad4 points out, right-wing extremists resort to violence such as looting our cities and occupying Seattle and Portland while attacking the police and federal buildings. Or, maybe it's all extremists. My concern now is random acts of violence from the extremes that target specific people or entities that are seen to represent the "other" side. As tolerance for the "other" side decreases, it promotes more extremism. Our "salad bowl" culture has come to the point where the onions want the tomatoes to be onions and the tomatoes want the onions to be tomatoes.
Victim card? 100%
Is that your way of saying you don't like it when someone points out that the anti-mask anti-vax folks have been keeping this disease alive and forcing the rest of us to deal with it? Fictional narrative
Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population. You know that's false, Delta is spreading just fine in the vaccinated community, albeit better in the unvaccinated.
Natural immunity as a reason to avoid vaccines? Its a perfectly valid reason since it provides multifold better protection I don't believe natural immunity is stronger than the combination of natural and vaccine immunity. Nor do you. Espola Strawman They should still get the shot. Because your being held hostage by your own phobia?
Is that your way of saying you don't like it when someone points out that the anti-mask anti-vax folks have been keeping this disease alive and forcing the rest of us to deal with it? Fictional narrative
Look at the very high vax areas. Delta can't grow in a fully vaccinated adult population. You know that's false, Delta is spreading just fine in the vaccinated community, albeit better in the unvaccinated.
Natural immunity as a reason to avoid vaccines? Its a perfectly valid reason since it provides multifold better protection I don't believe natural immunity is stronger than the combination of natural and vaccine immunity. Nor do you. Espola Strawman They should still get the shot. Because your being held hostage by your own phobia?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Sadly, you appear to be in the minority.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Don't forget outrage. If you aren't outraged, you are paying attention.
p.s. you are NEVER going to force the die hard holdouts short of storming their homes and dragging them into the hospital to get their shots. They simply won't do it. That leaves you with three choices: 1) accept it's not going to be everyone, 2) go into their homes and drag them to the shots, or 3) call it quits, mandate it in the blue states, let's separate, and block red state America from coming into your state because otherwise (if you believe the unvaxxed are a danger to the vaxxed) one could show up in your neighborhood.
what-happened
GOLD
You must have typed this with a smirk. You know none of this is even remotely true. The real world doesn't exist in this box, quite the opposite actually.
The jury is still out on hybrid immunity. Even Mr. Gain of Function himself will not answer the question directly.
100%, even seen that on bumper stickers. Speaking of bumper stickers my all time favorite is "Jesus Loves You, But Everyone Else Thinks You're An Asshole". Also is there some minimum required number of bumper stickers that you have to have on the back of a Prius?
met61
GOLD
It's become some type of weird religious-like team sport for many...throwing logic aside to win at all cost. I can only think maybe it's some way for them to rationalize their narrative induced irrational fears.
We should all be on Team Skeptic...directing all ire at China and any organization and/or persons responsible...while questioning government every step of the way.
The Trump era sure broke and permanently damaged many folks.
EvilGoalie 21
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I read this thing I thought was kind of interesting. The argument was that a difference between people communicating "in person" and people communicating by posting online was that when you talk to somebody face to face most people naturally seek some sort of accommodation. Whereas when you post online you are basically representing an artificial personae you've created-you are effectively branding yourself and engaging in a marketplace of competing brands. So online communication tends towards forms of discord in discourse that you'd never do in person. And disinformation feeds into it because all the actor has to do is create pre-made advertisements that you can use to rep your brand. Don't know how much there is to it but was interesting.
Yeah...but I'm really worried that it's not fixable. I understood why people had a problem with Trump. I understood why after years of building up their frustrations, the conservatives went with Trump (and why a portion of the Republican party opted to risk burning it down rather than go with yet another establishmentarian like Jeb!). I had hoped I was wrong and Biden would be a unifier that would restore some semblance of normality. But nope....the left is still snapped and what Biden did yesterday (but for the right thinking the courts have their back) has snapped the R. It's not good....I just don't see how we off ramp at this point.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
I think there is new guidance on this. Mandated as two less than the current average of sticker/flag combinations on Ford F-450's. And the HOV stickers don't count.
International travel, including illegal travel, is a very small fraction of cases.Assuming, arguendo, that's even true (and look at the UK....that's simply not true...yeah I know you are talking about numbers in the high 90s which don't exist anywhere except in very well off, not very dense, very few children areas), full world vaccination isn't available until 2023 and people will still move around, seeding new outbreaks (since the vaccine is not full proof). Unless you plan to shut down all world travel substantially, a "fully vaccinated adult population" is an illusion itself.
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
There are only about one million border crossings per day.
Even if those foreigners have covid at the same rate as the US does currently, that’s only about 2500 cases per day from border crossings.
Now remember that the vast majority of border crossings are legal, which means we can require tests and vaccinations. Now you’re down well below 1000 per day if we’re smart about it.
That’s not a crisis.
Unless, of course, you have a fifth column of anti-mask anti-vax folks who keep R above 1. Then your 1000 cases per day balloons to 150,000 cases per day and you get the crisis we have now.
oh oh. Having none on my prius, I think I'm in a lot of trouble.