Vaccine

[Grace T.]

What someone considers common sense still doesn't mean the Prez can unilaterally do something like this.

You are absolutely right about this. It isn’t just a pro vaxx v anti vaxx issue. Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed

-it’s mandate v no mandate (esp after the cdc director fauci and psaki are all on record 2 months ago saying no such mandate
-the scope of interstate commerce clause
-the extent to which congress has delegated rule making to the bureaucracy
-the scope of executive orders and the unfortunate tendency for presidents to over rely on them
-federalism

it’s existential for the rs. It’s precedent setting (if this is ok what of rule by climate change). It goes to the very nature of how many rs view tyranny. It’s the whole ball of wax. I hope Biden understood that before picking this fight but given his state I doubt it.

 

[espola]

Again you decline to state you understand the basics of economics. I’m not going to teach it to you.

this doesn’t surprise me since you don’t seem to understand two yellows equal a red yet you are on a soccer forum

I understand the basics of economics. Do you understand how to answer a simple question? (I think that is taught in English classes)

 

[espola]

What someone considers common sense still doesn't mean the Prez can unilaterally do something like this.

Which of the many things he is doing do you think he cannot do?

 

[espola]

You are absolutely right about this. It isn’t just a pro vaxx v anti vaxx issue. Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed

-it’s mandate v no mandate (esp after the cdc director fauci and psaki are all on record 2 months ago saying no such mandate
-the scope of interstate commerce clause
-the extent to which congress has delegated rule making to the bureaucracy
-the scope of executive orders and the unfortunate tendency for presidents to over rely on them
-federalism

it’s existential for the rs. It’s precedent setting (if this is ok what of rule by climate change). It goes to the very nature of how many rs view tyranny. It’s the whole ball of wax. I hope Biden understood that before picking this fight but given his state I doubt it.

"Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed" -- What is your basis for that statement?

 

[dad4]

The vaccine mandates mostly just reflect the mood of the country.

The vaccinated majority is tired of being held hostage by an unvaccinated minority.

Expect more of this as time goes on. People want normal, and universal vaccination helps us get there.

 

[espola]

Errr....that only applies if price equilibrium has been achieved....that the supply curve has caught up to the demand curve. It also assumes a Chinese N95 mask and a US made N95 aren't fungible (so the US mask is a luxury good, effectively). We know that's not the case because you can't get one easily yet on Amazon....there is still a supply shortage for those that need them. Again, you are trying to rationalize away behavior which in light of your prior expressed scientific beliefs doesn't jive.

Amazon has at least one whole page of N95 masks, with delivery estimated tomorrow or next Tuesday at the latest.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Nature doesn't care what you believe.

…..but get vaxxed, wear your mask, social distance, etc., etc.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The vaccine mandates mostly just reflect the mood of the country.

The vaccinated majority is tired of being held hostage by an unvaccinated minority.

Expect more of this as time goes on. People want normal, and universal vaccination helps us get there.

Coocoo

 

[Grace T.]

"Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed" -- What is your basis for that statement?

I’m watching the Twitter feed. Page after page of vaxxed people (including all the r govs I believe) decrying this

 

[Grace T.]

The vaccine mandates mostly just reflect the mood of the country.

The vaccinated majority is tired of being held hostage by an unvaccinated minority.

Expect more of this as time goes on. People want normal, and universal vaccination helps us get there.

a. He’s turned most of the vaxxed rs against him (everyone from guy benson to Ben Shapiro and all the r governors) into the same camp as the antivaxxers because they care more about the constitutional principles they feel are under attack than whether someone is vaxxed or not.
b. Just because something you think something is good policy doesn’t give you an excuse to blow up legalities or at the minimum norms. He’s touched the third rail all but declaring war on republicans nearest and dearest principles. If the rs didn’t control the courts we would be in a full blown constitutional crisis right now.
c. You aren’t going to convince the die hard holdouts this way some of which are some of the d core constituencies. Expecting more of this kind of stuff means eventually heading to violence which is what people do when backed into a corner.
d. Wait til we get to kids.
E. If trump had forced California and ny to open there would have been war

 

[Grace T.]

I understand the basics of economics. Do you understand how to answer a simple question? (I think that is taught in English classes)

I told you we’d do this socratically…so you’ve taken the basics of Econ 101 and at a minimum understand the mechanisms of supply and demand, correct?

 

[Grace T.]

Amazon has at least one whole page of N95 masks, with delivery estimated tomorrow or next Tuesday at the latest.

you don’t think I looked? On the first page, most of them are kn95s or not true n95s. The remainder are almost all overwhelmingly from small sellers. There were 3 that were certified from large sellers…one had a valve and therefore is useless for use in places with mandates…one of which was eligible for prime…it’s the subpar Chinese design dad4 complained about but is repped as certified….it’s $50+ for a carton of 20. Pre pandemic I got my carton of 40 for $35 and that was when savy buyers had already started buying up the market.

 

[dad4]

a. He’s turned most of the vaxxed rs against him (everyone from guy benson to Ben Shapiro and all the r governors) into the same camp as the antivaxxers because they care more about the constitutional principles they feel are under attack than whether someone is vaxxed or not.
b. Just because something you think something is good policy doesn’t give you an excuse to blow up legalities or at the minimum norms. He’s touched the third rail all but declaring war on republicans nearest and dearest principles. If the rs didn’t control the courts we would be in a full blown constitutional crisis right now.
c. You aren’t going to convince the die hard holdouts this way some of which are some of the d core constituencies. Expecting more of this kind of stuff means eventually heading to violence which is what people do when backed into a corner.
d. Wait til we get to kids.
E. If trump had forced California and ny to open there would have been war

War.

You think the country is going to rise up in arms to defend your right to skip weekly covid testing?

Riiiiiight.

 

[Grace T.]

War.

You think the country is going to rise up in arms to defend your right to skip weekly covid testing?

Riiiiiight.

Then you are clueless about the issue. The issue isn’t vaxx or unvaxxed. It’s now beyond that. The issue is the core Republican beliefs about the constitution including: the supremacy of the legislature, limited rules making by the bureaucracy, a limited power to issue executive decrees, federalism and state sovereignty and limited ICc. This isn’t about vaxxed or not vaxxed to rs anymore…it’s about the constitution…and that makes it existential.

 

[dad4]

you don’t think I looked? On the first page, most of them are kn95s or not true n95s. The remainder are almost all overwhelmingly from small sellers. There were 3 that were certified from large sellers…one had a valve and therefore is useless for use in places with mandates…one of which was eligible for prime…it’s the subpar Chinese design dad4 complained about but is repped as certified….it’s $50+ for a carton of 20. Pre pandemic I got my carton of 40 for $35 and that was when savy buyers had already started buying up the market.

Here you go. A list of domestic manufacturers who would be happy to ship you a box of N95 masks.

Looking for Made in USA N95 Masks? Here Are 10+ American-Made Options - Alliance for American Manufacturing

Most companies are still prioritizing getting respirator masks to healthcare and other essential workers, but some are offering small quantities for public sale.

www.americanmanufacturing.org

Now you can stop complaining that it's hard to find good masks.

 

[Grace T.]

Here you go. A list of domestic manufacturers who would be happy to ship you a box of N95 masks.

Looking for Made in USA N95 Masks? Here Are 10+ American-Made Options - Alliance for American Manufacturing

Most companies are still prioritizing getting respirator masks to healthcare and other essential workers, but some are offering small quantities for public sale.

www.americanmanufacturing.org

Now you can stop complaining that it's hard to find good masks.

Haha…you didn’t even read your own thumbnail. “Most companies are still prioritizing getting respirator masks to health care workers and other essential workers but some are offering small quantities for public sale”. And that’s before you even get to the inflated prices. You stepped in your own poop this time. By a low risk person buying up n95 masks you are making the situation harder on others that need it…you are bending over backwards to justify your own selfishness

I’m sorry but that’s an own goal of epic proportions.

 

[dad4]

Haha…you didn’t even read your own thumbnail. “Most companies are still prioritizing getting respirator masks to health care workers and other essential workers but some are offering small quantities for public sale”. And that’s before you even get to the inflated prices. You stepped in your own poop this time. By a low risk person buying up n95 masks you are making the situation harder on others that need it…you are bending over backwards to justify your own selfishness

I’m sorry but that’s an own goal of epic proportions.

Check the pub date on the article. Your N95 shortage claim is several months out of date.

I found my supplier from the more recent NYT article on domestic manufacturers having trouble finding customers. Shortage was over by then.

 

[espola]

I’m watching the Twitter feed. Page after page of vaxxed people (including all the r govs I believe) decrying this

You're watching a biased feed.

 

[espola]

a. He’s turned most of the vaxxed rs against him (everyone from guy benson to Ben Shapiro and all the r governors) into the same camp as the antivaxxers because they care more about the constitutional principles they feel are under attack than whether someone is vaxxed or not.
b. Just because something you think something is good policy doesn’t give you an excuse to blow up legalities or at the minimum norms. He’s touched the third rail all but declaring war on republicans nearest and dearest principles. If the rs didn’t control the courts we would be in a full blown constitutional crisis right now.
c. You aren’t going to convince the die hard holdouts this way some of which are some of the d core constituencies. Expecting more of this kind of stuff means eventually heading to violence which is what people do when backed into a corner.
d. Wait til we get to kids.
E. If trump had forced California and ny to open there would have been war

Just making shit up again? Does it make you feel better?

 

[espola]

I told you we’d do this socratically…so you’ve taken the basics of Econ 101 and at a minimum understand the mechanisms of supply and demand, correct?

Why are you trying so hard to avoid answering a simple question?