Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
i have a bad feeling about all this.
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I do too. I understand politically why he did it: it's a gamble we don't have a bad winter wave and with the delta coming down he can claim credit (if we do have a winter wave, the hedge will be the courts struck it down and Rs didn't listen)....the public will generally support it (those in the lockdown camp will like it and the generally cautious 1/3 will break mostly towards him)....it gets Afghanistan off his back.

But it's a declaration of war against conservative principles (rule by democracy not EO, the ICC, federalism, personal autonomy). If the courts strike it all down quickly, maybe its salvegable. He had to climb down on the boosters after all. But seriously, if Trump had done something like this and gotten away with it in reverse it would be the end of the Republic.
 
Grace T. said:
I do too. I understand politically why he did it: it's a gamble we don't have a bad winter wave and with the delta coming down he can claim credit (if we do have a winter wave, the hedge will be the courts struck it down and Rs didn't listen)....the public will generally support it (those in the lockdown camp will like it and the generally cautious 1/3 will break mostly towards him)....it gets Afghanistan off his back.

But it's a declaration of war against conservative principles (rule by democracy not EO, the ICC, federalism, personal autonomy). If the courts strike it all down quickly, maybe its salvegable. He had to climb down on the boosters after all. But seriously, if Trump had done something like this and gotten away with it in reverse it would be the end of the Republic.
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It's not always politics. Sometimes it's just common sense.
 
espola said:
I'll give you another chance for a straight answer -- who is it that is driving up the price?
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And I'll give you the same answer: do I need to give you a basic class in economics?....because that's too much work (so pass) and without a basic understanding you won't understand.

If I don't need to give you a basic economics class, we'll approach this socratically.
 
Grace T. said:
And I'll give you the same answer: do I need to give you a basic class in economics?....because that's too much work (so pass) and without a basic understanding you won't understand.

If I don't need to give you a basic economics class, we'll approach this socratically.
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You don't know who? Or are you worried about looking Izzy-like in your response about economics?
 
espola said:
We don't need an economics lesson for you to explain your own post.
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Again you decline to state you understand the basics of economics. I’m not going to teach it to you.

this doesn’t surprise me since you don’t seem to understand two yellows equal a red yet you are on a soccer forum
 
The reaction from r governors, the r leadership, the rank and file, the taking heads has been brutal. Almost all the r governors and several over 100 employee r sympathetic employers have vowed legal actions. If the rs weren’t confident in the Supreme Court limiting this I have no doubt we’d be in a constitutional crisis right now. Maybe that’s the point….maybe Biden thinks it’s easy to pick this fight and distract from Afghanistan if the courts will strike it down…but the way it was crafted was careful…it’s not as easy of a strike down as the rs think.
 
Desert Hound said:
What someone considers common sense still doesn't mean the Prez can unilaterally do something like this.
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You are absolutely right about this. It isn’t just a pro vaxx v anti vaxx issue. Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed

-it’s mandate v no mandate (esp after the cdc director fauci and psaki are all on record 2 months ago saying no such mandate
-the scope of interstate commerce clause
-the extent to which congress has delegated rule making to the bureaucracy
-the scope of executive orders and the unfortunate tendency for presidents to over rely on them
-federalism

it’s existential for the rs. It’s precedent setting (if this is ok what of rule by climate change). It goes to the very nature of how many rs view tyranny. It’s the whole ball of wax. I hope Biden understood that before picking this fight but given his state I doubt it.
 
Grace T. said:
Again you decline to state you understand the basics of economics. I’m not going to teach it to you.

this doesn’t surprise me since you don’t seem to understand two yellows equal a red yet you are on a soccer forum
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I understand the basics of economics. Do you understand how to answer a simple question? (I think that is taught in English classes)
 
Grace T. said:
You are absolutely right about this. It isn’t just a pro vaxx v anti vaxx issue. Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed

-it’s mandate v no mandate (esp after the cdc director fauci and psaki are all on record 2 months ago saying no such mandate
-the scope of interstate commerce clause
-the extent to which congress has delegated rule making to the bureaucracy
-the scope of executive orders and the unfortunate tendency for presidents to over rely on them
-federalism

it’s existential for the rs. It’s precedent setting (if this is ok what of rule by climate change). It goes to the very nature of how many rs view tyranny. It’s the whole ball of wax. I hope Biden understood that before picking this fight but given his state I doubt it.
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"Many of the most offended are people who are already vaxxed" -- What is your basis for that statement?
 
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