Vaccine

Well...there goes the first lawsuit already....Daily Wire (the Ben Shapiro company IIRC).
They obviously can't file it until the rule is promolgated but they've vowed to file on day 1 and are already gearing up counsel.

The other big headache will be for manufacturers. White collar workers are a lot less fungible....it's harder to move positions and a physical move is sometimes required and there's large support for vaccines anyway. Big union jobs like auto plans and schools are harder because a lot of the employers are captured by the same rules. But low tech manufacturing jobs will be a problem...expect to exacerbate the labor shortage esp. since these workers are right in the target of the vaccine uptake issue.
 
The teacher's unions seem to have hoisted on their own petards with Biden's vaccination mandate.

Ha, spoke to soon. The enforcement mechanism is through OSHA. OSHA does not have enforcement over state and local governments....so teachers don't have to get vaccinated, but if you work for a large employer you will have to. Public school teachers are exempt....too funny.
 
I get that part. I take it at face value that you believe that, and even if I disagree with it, I respect your view. That's not the part I'm questioning. Had you said I wear a cloth mask when talking closely with someone outdoors or an N95 in high risk situations like a medical office, hospital or airplane, I'd say cool....here's a guy who practices what he preaches....I can at least admire that.

The parts that I'm questioning is the cloth mask outdoors (o.k. I can kind of see an argument here that even if you are on a soccer field despite what you've said before about cloth masks since they only do very little and can be reused you know why not if you want to be extra courteous to others) but more importantly the n95s in limited indoor situations (like markets). You either believe the Bangladesh study or you don't. You either believe masks work or they don't. You either follow your version of the science or you don't. The N95 at the supermarket is about protecting you....it's behavior which I'd expect from my at risk parents, not someone who says they are healthy. That seems to indicate you are scared and afraid of catching it, because otherwise you'd be fine with the surgical and reserve the N95s for health care workers and people like my folks that need them. I think you said you were back in the classroom too so presumably you are wearing the N95 there too.

Again, what's your off ramp then...when do you stop? What's your personal test?

Nature doesn't care what you believe.
 
Ouch...$75 for a box of 20 hybrid N95s/Kn95...over $85 for a real N95?!?!?. Again you miss the point. If you are concerned about other people, you'd forgo driving up the price for these for people that actually need them. There's plenty of market from the governments and hospitals using them to keep the manufacturers afloat. The n95 is about you. It's not about you caring about other people since you are a low risk spreader and N95s are more about protecting yourself. You either believe the surgicals work (in which case you are a prime candidate for them) or you don't.

"...driving up the price..."? Strawman.
 
Ha, spoke to soon. The enforcement mechanism is through OSHA. OSHA does not have enforcement over state and local governments....so teachers don't have to get vaccinated, but if you work for a large employer you will have to. Public school teachers are exempt....too funny.
So the virus is so scary....

That the kids who dont need it need to have restrictions placed on them.

But the adults who teach them need not have a mandate.

Gov to the rescue.
 
"...driving up the price..."? Strawman.
More like grasping at straws.

Once you admit that there is a factor of 2 price difference, you have conceded that the market is segregated. That is, low end prices have already decoupled from activity in the top half of the market.
 
More like grasping at straws.

Once you admit that there is a factor of 2 price difference, you have conceded that the market is segregated. That is, low end prices have already decoupled from activity in the top half of the market.


Errr....that only applies if price equilibrium has been achieved....that the supply curve has caught up to the demand curve. It also assumes a Chinese N95 mask and a US made N95 aren't fungible (so the US mask is a luxury good, effectively). We know that's not the case because you can't get one easily yet on Amazon....there is still a supply shortage for those that need them. Again, you are trying to rationalize away behavior which in light of your prior expressed scientific beliefs doesn't jive.
 
Errr....that only applies if price equilibrium has been achieved....that the supply curve has caught up to the demand curve. It also assumes a Chinese N95 mask and a US made N95 aren't fungible (so the US mask is a luxury good, effectively). We know that's not the case because you can't get one easily yet on Amazon....there is still a supply shortage for those that need them. Again, you are trying to rationalize away behavior which in light of your prior expressed scientific beliefs doesn't jive.

Who is it that is driving up the price?
 
Econ class? I don’t think you’re qualified. You just tried to convince me that the existence of substitute goods depends on whether prices have achieved long term stability.

When did I say long term? The fact that there are shortage still indicates the price has not stabilized yet.

You are also coupling the 2 (when they should be separate issues). The substitute goods portion was a construct you made between US & Chinese masks. That assumes the 2 are in fact two different markets when the supply of each is clearly fungible. You are building an illusion to try and justify your behavior.
 
This goes farther than what Trump ever did....he didn't threaten NY/California for not reopening. It's a dangerous escalation....the only thing holding the entire thing together at this point is federalism with leaves kind of a safety valve for liberals/conservatives and lockdowners/antilockdowners to go their own way. From the reaction on conservative twitter they are pretty much finished...finished with dialogue, finished with listening, finished with Biden....it's a dangerous turning point since no doubt it will serve as precedent on other issues.

 
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