Vaccine

The Israeli study about waning vaccine immunity might not be correct. It might be a Simpsons paradox.

This would have some good and bad implications. On the plus side, if it holds, we don't need to worry so much about boosters and just really need to push that first vaccination. On the neg side, it's not so much the waning immunity which is causing the breakthroughs but the Delta itself (world may not have a choice then...UK approach or bust...short of a rapid Delta upgrade vaccine coming).

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Is Vaccine Immunity Waning? (Published 2021)

It may not really be waning much — which means universal booster shots may do little good.
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Grace T. said:
The Israeli study about waning vaccine immunity might not be correct. It might be a Simpsons paradox.

This would have some good and bad implications. On the plus side, if it holds, we don't need to worry so much about boosters and just really need to push that first vaccination. On the neg side, it's not so much the waning immunity which is causing the breakthroughs but the Delta itself (world may not have a choice then...UK approach or bust...short of a rapid Delta upgrade vaccine coming).

www.nytimes.com

Is Vaccine Immunity Waning? (Published 2021)

It may not really be waning much — which means universal booster shots may do little good.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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It's not a Simpson's paradox.
 
watfly said:
She got tested and continued to teach for two days. So she at least she had a suspicion it may be Covid. Her symptoms did progress, so yes very early on she in good faith could have thought it was allergies.

The fact that she got tested and still worked means she thought masks provided significant protection. That's the biggest problem, not the children.
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Those are some serious mental gymnastics you display there:

An unmasked, unvaccinated teacher directly infects a dozen students. Therefore, masks are the problem?

It seems simpler to say that the problem was a teacher refusing the vaccine and not following the mask and symptom rules.
 
dad4 said:
The adult took off her mask. Are you saying she thought the mask was significant source protection while it was in her pocket? Seems unlikely.

She was following your rule about not going to work when sick. Based on what she believed, it was just allergies. Therefore, she continued to teach. After all, each person knows themself best. She had years of experience with allergies, and really ought to know what allergies feel like.

This is what you get when your sole line of defense is “stay home when sick”. People misinterpret symptoms and infect others.
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Here's another high vaxx situation which is concerning: Duke University. 98% teachers/students vaccinated. Mask mandated indoors. Weekly testing. 364 fully vaxxed, all but 8 vaxxed.

Can I guess what the excuse is? Duke is embedded into the larger community and they are having contact with people outside of the community? Well, Duke is limiting students to only essential activities/shopping off campus, but that supposition would also assume there is no community spread within the Duke community (only from outside to in)....which just simply unlikely to be the case given the amount of cases, but point taken.
 
dad4 said:
Those are some serious mental gymnastics you display there:

An unmasked, unvaccinated teacher directly infects a dozen students. Therefore, masks are the problem?

It seems simpler to say that the problem was a teacher refusing the vaccine and not following the mask and symptom rules.
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Why wasn't the teacher vaccinated? Were the parents informed?
 
dad4 said:
Those are some serious mental gymnastics you display there:

An unmasked, unvaccinated teacher directly infects a dozen students. Therefore, masks are the problem?

It seems simpler to say that the problem was a teacher refusing the vaccine and not following the mask and symptom rules.
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Politicians have turned Covid-19 into a moral crusade, quasi-religious in nature, creating a doomsday cult. Masks generate fear and help keep the cultish behavior going. Lockdowns demoralize us, reducing our capacity to resist dangerous authoritarian rule. Defeating the virus is the impossible aim that keeps the cult leaders in business.

Wearing a mask and cheering on lockdowns makes people feel as if they are doing their duty, even if their actions are causing untold damage to themselves and others. All too easily they relinquish their sense of responsibility by saying that they are following government orders. They may not be entirely immune to the gross suffering caused by this but, as cult members are prone to do, they ignore it for the ‘greater good’.

History is littered with the calamitous antics of doomsday cults. Yet we must be the only civilization in history which thinks we can cheat death on a mass scale, destroying ourselves in the process.

Our political class won’t help us. They are leading this delusion, described by one psychiatrist elsewhere on these pages today as a mass ‘delusional psychosis’. We need, as he also says, to break free from cultish thinking, stop following orders and save ourselves.
 
dad4 said:
Those are some serious mental gymnastics you display there:

An unmasked, unvaccinated teacher directly infects a dozen students. Therefore, masks are the problem?

It seems simpler to say that the problem was a teacher refusing the vaccine and not following the mask and symptom rules.
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More than likely she was following the Science you Whirling Dervishes ignore.

George Mason University Professor Speaks Out After Challenging Anti-Science Vaccine Mandate

George Mason University tried to penalize Zywicki for possessing the 'wrong type' of COVID immunity, but he just wasn’t having it.


Zywicki Fought Back and Was Rewarded
George Mason University (GMU) tried to penalize Zywicki for possessing the “wrong type” of COVID immunity, but he wasn’t having it. As a law professor beginning his 24th year teaching at Virginia’s largest four-year public university, Zywicki enjoys well-documented, robust natural immunity from COVID because he already contracted and fully recovered from the virus last year.


“My immunologist says that my antibody level is comparable to somebody who’s been vaccinated,” Zywicki told The Federalist. “The science is quite clear that … natural immunity is at least as effective as the most effective vaccines, meaning 90-95 percent, which the Pfizer and Moderna claim they have, clearly more effective than a less effective vaccine like Johnson & Johson, which is only 66 percent. And it’s not even … a serious discussion whether it’s more protective than Sinovac and Sinopharm.”

Clinical studies from the Cleveland Clinic, Israel, and England support these assertions. Natural immunity is a powerful, long-lasting defense against COVID, and Zywicki said it “protects against a greater array of variants” than the vaccines on the market. The protection afforded by vaccines is reportedly waning, and breakthrough infections are spreading globally.

When GMU tried to coerce Zywicki into getting vaccinated anyway, he had his lawyers at the New Civil Liberties Alliance file suit against GMU on his behalf. Zywicki also slammed his employer’s broad vaccine mandate via a Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which he argued that “there’s no justification for a coercive violation of [his] bodily autonomy.”

Thanks to his willingness to stand up for his convictions, Zywicki himself won’t have to get vaccinated this fall, he won’t be subject to disciplinary action, and he’ll be able to hold office hours and attend in-person events. Zywicki must maintain six feet of distance from others and get tested for COVID on a weekly basis, however, meaning there are still strings attached to his “medical exemption.”
 
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Grace T. said:
Here's another high vaxx situation which is concerning: Duke University. 98% teachers/students vaccinated. Mask mandated indoors. Weekly testing. 364 fully vaxxed, all but 8 vaxxed.

Can I guess what the excuse is? Duke is embedded into the larger community and they are having contact with people outside of the community? Well, Duke is limiting students to only essential activities/shopping off campus, but that supposition would also assume there is no community spread within the Duke community (only from outside to in)....which just simply unlikely to be the case given the amount of cases, but point taken.
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Did they close the off campus bars?

If no, then perhaps the isolation effort was slightly more porous than you are implying.

You might look to compare the on campus rate against the off campus rate. Even that has so many dissimilar factors I don't think it would tell you much.
 
dad4 said:
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Did they close the off campus bars?

If no, then perhaps the isolation effort was slightly more porous than you are implying.

You might look to compare the on campus rate against the off campus rate. Even that has so many dissimilar factors I don't think it would tell you much.
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Fair, but you are basically back then to the vaccine failing to prevent infection at a startling high rate. Also the undergrads (even if 21) aren't allowed in the bars right now....don' know about the grad students.
 
Desert Hound said:
He seems not to have an off ramp. This time last year he was forecasting doom with schools and universities.

He is essentially making a variation of the same predictions now.

The solution is always the same. Wear a mask that doesnt make a difference, and so on.
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Not very scientific.
 
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