Vaccine

dad4 said:
Natural v/s vaccine immunity was only an argument pushed by the anti vax folks. We pro-vax folks were kind of confused that people were arguing that they wanted to get covid, so that they would become immune, so that they wouldn’t get covid. It is kind of like saying you’re going to shoot yourself in the foot so that you know not to shoot yourself in the foot.

The main pro vax argument had nothing to do with which type is better. The best argument was that the primary path to acquiring natural immunity has three nasty side effects. One- you get covid. Two- you spread covid to others. Three- you help incubate new covid variants.

I’m hoping we don’t see much of #3 coming out of China’s current wave. But we may. I still think they would have been better off paying for Moderna instead of using a cut rate domestic version.
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complete nonsense, what is up with your logic? You are still on the vax healthy people train? Even with all of the data available? Your "chops" should help with decision making after you've analyzed the vax data.

What is the "main pro vax argument"? Wasn't it prevent transmission and provide immunity for all? That went down the toilet rather quickly. What was the argument after that? Reduction in severity of disease? That also went down the toilet once the mutation party started. mRNA doesn't keep up, it just doesn't.

Extremists on both sides (pro/anti vax). Logical people who understand science/medicine understand the tools of their trade - vax those most vulnerable, leave healthy people alone. If you haven't contracted covid, you will, whether you are vaxed or not.

Current strains don't care about vaccines, they easily evade them.
 
espola said:
Given a population A with a proportion p of a certain characteristic, what are the expected results when choosing a sample B from A that the sample will have proportion q of that same characteristic? How is the result affected when p is close to 1?
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you are a crack up.
 
Happened again said:
complete nonsense, what is up with your logic? You are still on the vax healthy people train? Even with all of the data available? Your "chops" should help with decision making after you've analyzed the vax data.

What is the "main pro vax argument"? Wasn't it prevent transmission and provide immunity for all? That went down the toilet rather quickly. What was the argument after that? Reduction in severity of disease? That also went down the toilet once the mutation party started. mRNA doesn't keep up, it just doesn't.

Extremists on both sides (pro/anti vax). Logical people who understand science/medicine understand the tools of their trade - vax those most vulnerable, leave healthy people alone. If you haven't contracted covid, you will, whether you are vaxed or not.

Current strains don't care about vaccines, they easily evade them.
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In your post, you claim that current strains are unaffected by vaccines, and that we should vaccinate the elderly.

How the heck does that make any sense? It’s not even internally consistent. If vaccines don’t work at all, how would they protect the vulnerable?
 
dad4 said:
In your post, you claim that current strains are unaffected by vaccines, and that we should vaccinate the elderly.

How the heck does that make any sense? It’s not even internally consistent. If vaccines don’t work at all, how would they protect the vulnerable?
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Oh E....

Anyway, nuance is certainly a thing and not your strong suit. I love the fact that this is your take away. Little o and it's babies are really good at evading vaccine and natural immunity, really good. so good in fact that that the disease isn't as severe. The elderly, and the immune compromised benefit some what from vaccine induced immunity, with consistent boosting of course. It's unfortunate that in the US, we don't really adhere to extended dosing intervals, which always, always makes vaccination more effective.

The vaccines don't really work but they work well enough for some...but you have to boost away. Emerging data clearly shows boosting could be having a negative impact on the immune system, putting us in a dangerous loop. Boost the elderly, they have a limited time on this planet, protect the young and healthy, don't compromise their immune system. I can't believe parents are still walking in and demanding boosters for their kids...and that universities are demanding boosters, especially for athletes. Sad state of affairs that will play out over the next few decades. I feel sad for those parents who were pressured into vaccinating their children and did so. Anecdotal evidence and research data will soon merge and people are going to be pissed.
 
Happened again said:
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Oh E....

Anyway, nuance is certainly a thing and not your strong suit. I love the fact that this is your take away. Little o and it's babies are really good at evading vaccine and natural immunity, really good. so good in fact that that the disease isn't as severe. The elderly, and the immune compromised benefit some what from vaccine induced immunity, with consistent boosting of course. It's unfortunate that in the US, we don't really adhere to extended dosing intervals, which always, always makes vaccination more effective.

The vaccines don't really work but they work well enough for some...but you have to boost away. Emerging data clearly shows boosting could be having a negative impact on the immune system, putting us in a dangerous loop. Boost the elderly, they have a limited time on this planet, protect the young and healthy, don't compromise their immune system. I can't believe parents are still walking in and demanding boosters for their kids...and that universities are demanding boosters, especially for athletes. Sad state of affairs that will play out over the next few decades. I feel sad for those parents who were pressured into vaccinating their children and did so. Anecdotal evidence and research data will soon merge and people are going to be pissed.
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I feel sad for you.
 
espola said:
I feel sad for you.
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how sweet of you, i didn't know you had a sensitive side OR Is this your coping mechanism when you've run out of things to say? What part stumped you? The part where you've been a kid vax believer and just can't see why anyone would disagree with someone who crazily thinks vaccinating a healthy kid for no reason at all is nonsense? Let me hear your reason for healthy people vaccination. Are you trying to prevent someone from passing something to someone else?
 
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how sweet of you, i didn't know you had a sensitive side OR Is this your coping mechanism when you've run out of things to say? What part stumped you? The part where you've been a kid vax believer and just can't see why anyone would disagree with someone who crazily thinks vaccinating a healthy kid for no reason at all is nonsense? Let me hear your reason for healthy people vaccination. Are you trying to prevent someone from passing something to someone else?
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Almost 100% of children who have received vaccinations in the history of vaccinations have been healthy at the time.
 
espola said:
Almost 100% of children who have received vaccinations in the history of vaccinations have been healthy at the time.
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Almost 100% is not good enough. Plus, were finding out things about jabs from the past that cause Autism and other issues. I was jabbed a few times but not much. I never took flu shot and was 100% big fat no this round. Look Espola, go down with the ship captain. It's obvious you don't no anyone who has died or became very ill from the jabs. The more you take, the higher the risk of something terrible happening. 99.5% nothing can happen is better than almost 100%. I just heard about another teen stud who had heart problems and had to stop playing sports.
 
Happened again said:
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Oh E....

Anyway, nuance is certainly a thing and not your strong suit. I love the fact that this is your take away. Little o and it's babies are really good at evading vaccine and natural immunity, really good. so good in fact that that the disease isn't as severe. The elderly, and the immune compromised benefit some what from vaccine induced immunity, with consistent boosting of course. It's unfortunate that in the US, we don't really adhere to extended dosing intervals, which always, always makes vaccination more effective.

The vaccines don't really work but they work well enough for some...but you have to boost away. Emerging data clearly shows boosting could be having a negative impact on the immune system, putting us in a dangerous loop. Boost the elderly, they have a limited time on this planet, protect the young and healthy, don't compromise their immune system. I can't believe parents are still walking in and demanding boosters for their kids...and that universities are demanding boosters, especially for athletes. Sad state of affairs that will play out over the next few decades. I feel sad for those parents who were pressured into vaccinating their children and did so. Anecdotal evidence and research data will soon merge and people are going to be pissed.
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Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?
 
dad4 said:
Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?
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The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.
 
Desert Hound said:
The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.
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Just had this exact discussion with kicker. I see no reason to repeat the same conversation with someone less willing to think.
 
Desert Hound said:
The vax neither prevents infection nor prevents the spread.

You know things we expect a vax to do.

And yet people like you still seem to want mandates etc.

At some point you should give up.
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Welcome back Hound. What a trip the last few years. This guys are something else.
 
dad4 said:
Your argument was trash: "Vaccines don't work against modern variants. Let's vaccinate the vulnerable."

But, instead of withdrawing your trash argument, you took a dozen different anti-vax talking points and dumped them all into the same disorganized post.

This doesn't change the fact that your original argument is still trash.

Care to withdraw it, or going to keep it around like a dead skunk?
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yikes, must have gotten under that skin of yours. Luv the mansplaining, nice job - you sound like my kids and their friends....using rubbish gives off a more sophisticated air.

My desk does tend to be a bit messy but I would rate my bedside manner a 9 out of 10. Call it what you want - trash might be a good way of describing the way the vaccines have been handled.

There is a difference between talking points and facts. since you don't like facts, you minimize by calling them talking points, how linear of you. To piggy back on your theme - the vaccines are trash but provide a level of protection for the vulnerable, even, even if we don't really know if they work. They kinda work - see how nuance works? can you imagine, giving O specific boosters without actually knowing they work? Send an email to moderna and ask when they will release data from their PH3 trials. maybe someday we'll get the data. in your free time, check out the peer reviewed studies coming out of Taiwan that discuss heart symptons in teens after their second pfizer vaccine. disturbing stuff. Talking point or peer reviewed facts?

But your theme is spot on - Rubbish is a good way of describing the great vaccine debacle that has created hesitancy and diminished the professional credibility of the FDA and the CDC.
 
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