Vaccine

[dad4]

In that they didn't like her because they are leftists? Absolutely. They have been rather partisan for some time.

That is why their opinion outside of leftist circles carries little to no weight.

ABA didn’t like her because she’s a newbie.

He newbie status is evident in her writing. She clearly never bothered to pick up a law dictionary and look up the legal definition of ”sanitation”.

Politicians in robes, and nothing more. Both parties seems happy to just nominate the youngest person available who will vote their way. We could have had people like Bork and Garland. Instead we get political appointees like Kagan.

 

[what-happened]

Do you want to restart the whole mask education program again?

Heavy sigh --

Can face masks protect against COVID-19?

Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.

www.mayoclinic.org

that's right, education. Droplets, aerosol, science. I know you want to believe and you have to believe. It's good the pandemic is over, that vaccines kinda work, and that masking provided little mitigation. With that said, if masking helped people cope, then they were a success. What's going to happen to those people now? We will see. Ripping off the band aid mid flight likely wreaked havoc on some people.

 

[Desert Hound]

He newbie status is evident in her writing. She clearly never bothered to pick up a law dictionary and look up the legal definition of ”sanitation”.

Mizelle served as a law clerk to judge James S. Moody Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida from 2012 to 2013 and to judge William H. Pryor Jr. of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit from 2013 to 2014. She worked as a trial attorney in the Tax Division of the United States Department of Justice from 2014 to 2017, and was detailed as a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia from 2014–2015. Mizelle was counsel to the United States Associate Attorney General from 2017 to 2018. In 2018, she briefly clerked for judge Gregory G. Katsas of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, and then clerked for justice Clarence Thomas of the U.S. Supreme Court from 2018 to 2019.

She is well aware of legal issues and clerked for judges at the top levels of the judiciary...from district courts, to the circuits, to the supreme court.

The ABA is leftist, and most of the press is leftist and they view her through that prism.

She based her decision in part based on what the SC has decided recently regarding the CDC and its authority.

Can her decision be overturned? Sure. I make no predictions regarding regarding that. I do however find it interesting that while the DOJ is now going to fight this in court, they have NOT asked for a stay of the ruling. They are playing politics on that. By saying they are going to fight this in court, it placates the small but vocal D base that wants masks now, while at the same time not pissing off the majority of the population who has no interest in being part of the mask dog and pony show anymore.

My main point however is this....I am just saying the way she is portrayed in most of the media is misleading. In most cases with most major media it is hard to find the light between how they report and Democrat talking points.

 

[Desert Hound]

that's right, education. Droplets, aerosol, science. I know you want to believe and you have to believe. It's good the pandemic is over, that vaccines kinda work, and that masking provided little mitigation. With that said, if masking helped people cope, then they were a success. What's going to happen to those people now? We will see. Ripping off the band aid mid flight likely wreaked havoc on some people.

The problem espola and others have is this.

The efficacy of espola's mask does not depend on whether or not someone else is wearing a mask or not. If they work, then a lifting of a travel mask mandate makes little difference since those that want to wear a mask still can.

But as we look at infection rates between mandate states and non mandate states unfortunately we do not see any correlation between wearing masks and infection. If there were any studies showing masks were effective...we would KNOW about those now. And yet years into this we don't have those studies. Rather telling. But when you BELIEVE in something it takes on more of a religious feeling...facts be dammed.

And yet as we look at the data regarding infection rates in mandate vs non mandate states we see no real difference in infection rates.

 

[Desert Hound]

She clearly never bothered to pick up a law dictionary and look up the legal definition of ”sanitation”.

The other thing you miss is this.

She looked (as one part of this) at the directive giving to the CDC by congress as it relates to sanitation. In her determination they way it was stated does not give the CDC broad authority to mandate masks throughout nationwide public transportation.

Whether or not her ruling holds up, once again it has been reported by a left leaning press as if she doesn't know what the term means. That obscures the fact/reasoning of what she was actually saying. Most people look at a headline or a paragraph or so...and the narrative is created.

It is far more complex vs saying she doesn't know what the legal definition of sanitation means. What it means varies depending on how it is used in a specific law. It can mean one thing based on how one law is written, and another thing based on how another law is written. That is how/why things end up in court...ie to try to determine the meaning of what the authors of the law really meant, and if there are any boundaries to what they intended.

 

[what-happened]

The problem espola and others have is this.

The efficacy of espola's mask does not depend on whether or not someone else is wearing a mask or not. If they work, then a lifting of a travel mask mandate makes little difference since those that want to wear a mask still can.

But as we look at infection rates between mandate states and non mandate states unfortunately we do not see any correlation between wearing masks and infection. If there were any studies showing masks were effective...we would KNOW about those now. And yet years into this we don't have those studies. Rather telling. But when you BELIEVE in something it takes on more of a religious feeling...facts be dammed.

And yet as we look at the data regarding infection rates in mandate vs non mandate states we see no real difference in infection rates.

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It's all nonsense. Hyper partisan politics driving public health policy in the face of a novel disease is a recipe for disaster.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

The problem espola and others have is this.

The efficacy of espola's mask does not depend on whether or not someone else is wearing a mask or not. If they work, then a lifting of a travel mask mandate makes little difference since those that want to wear a mask still can.

But as we look at infection rates between mandate states and non mandate states unfortunately we do not see any correlation between wearing masks and infection. If there were any studies showing masks were effective...we would KNOW about those now. And yet years into this we don't have those studies. Rather telling. But when you BELIEVE in something it takes on more of a religious feeling...facts be dammed.

And yet as we look at the data regarding infection rates in mandate vs non mandate states we see no real difference in infection rates.

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[MicPaPa]

The problem espola and others have is this.

The efficacy of espola's mask does not depend on whether or not someone else is wearing a mask or not. If they work, then a lifting of a travel mask mandate makes little difference since those that want to wear a mask still can.

But as we look at infection rates between mandate states and non mandate states unfortunately we do not see any correlation between wearing masks and infection. If there were any studies showing masks were effective...we would KNOW about those now. And yet years into this we don't have those studies. Rather telling. But when you BELIEVE in something it takes on more of a religious feeling...facts be dammed.

And yet as we look at the data regarding infection rates in mandate vs non mandate states we see no real difference in infection rates.

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You just hit on the lefts whole game - it's not about what they believe, it's about everyone else believing what they believe.

Of course logic says, if they believe in masks then they can continue wearing them, and whether others wear them would be irrelevant.

But like with everything on the left, it's about emotion, and they can't handle the fact that most people would not be wearing them, thus making them look wrong and foolish.

You see, when they can't make the case and convince people, they have to mandate, attack, and sensor anyone who does not see it their way.....that's how they roll.

 

[crush]

You just hit on the lefts whole game - it's not about what they believe, it's about everyone else believing what they believe.

Of course logic says, if they believe in masks then they can continue wearing them, and whether others wear them would be irrelevant.

But like with everything on the left, it's about emotion, and they can't handle the fact that most people would not be wearing them, thus making them look wrong and foolish.

You see, when they can't make the case and convince people, they have to mandate, attack, and sensor anyone who does not see it their way.....that's how they roll.

And people fired for not obeying the jab I'm still shocked how easy it was to buy people with jobs, bribes and blackmail. More news will be dripping and it will get nasty.

 

[soccersc]

@GoldenGate and @dad4 were so adamant that mask were working...they complained and told those who didn't want to wear mask to stop whining...well, they couldn't have been more wrong and now even the San Francisco Chronicle is posting and article from 4 doctors that mask don't work. We sure don't hear much from those guys anymore around here and as time goes on the truth and the proof will continue to reveal itself! Hopefully they learn!

Four COVID experts say it’s time to accept reality: Vaccines work, mask mandates don't

It’s time to reassess our COVID prevention strategies in and outside of schools and...

www.sfchronicle.com

 

[dad4]

Mizelle served as a law clerk to judge James S. Moody Jr. of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida from 2012 to 2013 and to judge William H. Pryor Jr. of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit from 2013 to 2014. She worked as a trial attorney in the Tax Division of the United States Department of Justice from 2014 to 2017, and was detailed as a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia from 2014–2015. Mizelle was counsel to the United States Associate Attorney General from 2017 to 2018. In 2018, she briefly clerked for judge Gregory G. Katsas of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, and then clerked for justice Clarence Thomas of the U.S. Supreme Court from 2018 to 2019.

She is well aware of legal issues and clerked for judges at the top levels of the judiciary...from district courts, to the circuits, to the supreme court.

The ABA is leftist, and most of the press is leftist and they view her through that prism.

She based her decision in part based on what the SC has decided recently regarding the CDC and its authority.

Can her decision be overturned? Sure. I make no predictions regarding regarding that. I do however find it interesting that while the DOJ is now going to fight this in court, they have NOT asked for a stay of the ruling. They are playing politics on that. By saying they are going to fight this in court, it placates the small but vocal D base that wants masks now, while at the same time not pissing off the majority of the population who has no interest in being part of the mask dog and pony show anymore.

My main point however is this....I am just saying the way she is portrayed in most of the media is misleading. In most cases with most major media it is hard to find the light between how they report and Democrat talking points.

So, she was a tax lawyer for 3 years, a clerk for 4 years, and counsel to an associate AG?

Sounds like a newbie to me.

When did she take her aerosol physics classes? I hear she thinks she‘s something of an expert of the subject.

 

[Desert Hound]

@GoldenGate and @dad4 were so adamant that mask were working...they complained and told those who didn't want to wear mask to stop whining...well, they couldn't have been more wrong and now even the San Francisco Chronicle is posting and article from 4 doctors that mask don't work. We sure don't hear much from those guys anymore around here and as time goes on the truth and the proof will continue to reveal itself! Hopefully they learn!

Four COVID experts say it’s time to accept reality: Vaccines work, mask mandates don't

It’s time to reassess our COVID prevention strategies in and outside of schools and...

www.sfchronicle.com

So we are back to what the CDC and other health organizations knew long ago. Masks are not effective at stopping respiratory virus type infections. Funny how that works.


There is a growing consensus that cloth masks do very little to prevent the SARS-CoV-2 virus from spreading. Even surgical masks are probably only marginally effective. Although N95 and KN95 masks have shown some effectiveness for preventing infection when worn by vulnerable individuals, these higher-quality devices only work provided the mask is worn correctly — a particularly challenging task for younger children, who remove and reapply their masks throughout the day.

So far only two randomized controlled trials — the highest standard of evidence — have been conducted to test masking for COVID prevention. A Danish study found no statistically significant benefit from surgical masks. A study in Bangladesh reported no benefit from cloth masks and only very modest impact from surgical masks (which appeared to evaporate in a subsequent reanalysis of the raw data). This is unsurprising, given that numerous controlled trials in health care and other settings have similarly found masks to be ineffective for preventing the spread of other respiratory viruses such as influenza.

 

[Desert Hound]

When did she take her aerosol physics classes? I hear she thinks she‘s something of an expert of the subject.

In very large numbers of cases, judges are not experts in the matter at hand.

In a crime case...they are not experts in forensics.

In telecommunication cases...they are not experts in the technology underlying the issues.

Etc etc.

Their job is to rule on the law and how it was written and if the law is applied correctly.

If you go by the standard a judge has to be an expert to be a judge in a case, then in an amazing amount of cases they are not.

That is rather a weak argument on your part. One that does stand up to scrutiny.

They rule on a huge variety of issues of which they have no expertise in.

 

[GoldenGate]

And people fired for not obeying the jab I'm still shocked how easy it was to buy people with jobs, bribes and blackmail. More news will be dripping and it will get nasty.

I just fired yet anti-vaxxer. It was so much fun. She came begging for her job back after the EDD told her to "stick it" by denying her unemployment. Ha ha. I can't wait until you're all unemployed.

 

[dad4]

So we are back to what the CDC and other health organizations knew long ago. Masks are not effective at stopping respiratory virus type infections. Funny how that works.


There is a growing consensus that cloth masks do very little to prevent the SARS-CoV-2 virus from spreading. Even surgical masks are probably only marginally effective. Although N95 and KN95 masks have shown some effectiveness for preventing infection when worn by vulnerable individuals, these higher-quality devices only work provided the mask is worn correctly — a particularly challenging task for younger children, who remove and reapply their masks throughout the day.

So far only two randomized controlled trials — the highest standard of evidence — have been conducted to test masking for COVID prevention. A Danish study found no statistically significant benefit from surgical masks. A study in Bangladesh reported no benefit from cloth masks and only very modest impact from surgical masks (which appeared to evaporate in a subsequent reanalysis of the raw data). This is unsurprising, given that numerous controlled trials in health care and other settings have similarly found masks to be ineffective for preventing the spread of other respiratory viruses such as influenza.

Did you know that you can type anything you want in these boxes, but if you include some bold text and a link, it looks like you actually quoted someone competent?

 

[dad4]

In very large numbers of cases, judges are not experts in the matter at hand.

In a crime case...they are not experts in forensics.

In telecommunication cases...they are not experts in the technology underlying the issues.

Etc etc.

Their job is to rule on the law and how it was written and if the law is applied correctly.

If you go by the standard a judge has to be an expert to be a judge in a case, then in an amazing amount of cases they are not.

That is rather a weak argument on your part. One that does stand up to scrutiny.

They rule on a huge variety of issues of which they have no expertise in.

My point is that judges often issue rulings based on things they don’t understand, and they are wrong to do so.

It’s a real problem in criminal justice. Prosecution would select experts who made wildly exaggerated claims about the accuracy of specific methods, like hair analysis.

Later, when real science was available, we find out that hair analysis was about as accurate as phrenology. But hundreds of judges fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

 

[thirteenknots]

The problem espola and others have is this.

The efficacy of espola's mask does not depend on whether or not someone else is wearing a mask or not. If they work, then a lifting of a travel mask mandate makes little difference since those that want to wear a mask still can.

But as we look at infection rates between mandate states and non mandate states unfortunately we do not see any correlation between wearing masks and infection. If there were any studies showing masks were effective...we would KNOW about those now. And yet years into this we don't have those studies. Rather telling. But when you BELIEVE in something it takes on more of a religious feeling...facts be dammed.

And yet as we look at the data regarding infection rates in mandate vs non mandate states we see no real difference in infection rates.

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The CULT of Covid-19 + ( The Jab ) = Jim Jones Koolaid

One killed rather quick, the other takes about 18 months.

The end result is the same.

 

[espola]

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I see no problem with that.

 

[thirteenknots]

I see no problem with that.

 

[Kicker 2.0]

I just fired yet anti-vaxxer. It was so much fun. She came begging for her job back after the EDD told her to "stick it" by denying her unemployment. Ha ha. I can't wait until you're all unemployed.

More proof you’re just an attention hungry POS!