Demand is actually mostly a function of the quality of a product. Of course, pet rocks were pretty popular for a time period in the 70's, so FOMO plays a roll too.
Vaccine
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100%. A good product sells itself. I can count 4 people I know who got clots in their blood. All of them are on blood thinner and one got a widow attack. Also know two people that died of natural causes under 50 years old and over 5 people who got fired for saying no to this BS.
MicPaPa
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DeSantis was right. Can't imagine currently having kids in CA public elementary schools.
MicPaPa
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Where were you the past couple years?
Heavy politicking began on day one of the pandemic and ramped up for the election. I'd say much needed scientific and medical research was either not conducted or suppressed or both because of politics - hell, just follow the life cycle of the death and case number counters that were plastered all over the news 24/7.....then one day just disappeared.
I'm sorry, the science and medical communities drained all their credibility with this one.
There was also this rush by "experts" to be relevant which resulted in speculative opinions and then each side would cherry pick the opinions that supported their position (guilty as charged). Some experts where inherently biased while some offered their opinions in good faith but just turned out to be wrong. Arrogance played a roll in a lot of it. There was an "ivory tower" element to a lot of the guidance.
EvilGoalie 21
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Partly. It's been interesting to me to learn more with how disinfo campaigns get structured and then, through a limited number of venues, injected into social media. Reading about that and then seeing related meme showing up on, for example, this site. So I do not completely buy your argument. This form of negative advertising works and, as a bonus for the money, achieves longer term purposes.
I have also criticized the scientific community, which in reality is largely divorced-and should be divorced-from policy, for getting caught flatfooted in the new information warfare. Some of the new kids are learning to fight back, and it is good to see. One vaccine researcher in particular got linked here a couple of times (not by me). She got doxxed somewhere between delta and omicron and her family was threatened. But she has kept going. She fights with flowers, very effectively.
baldref
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Fact check. False
Negative advertising and misinformation works, but not in the long term. The truth eventually prevails over time as a result of reality, although it has taken a lot longer in the case of Covid. It should obvious to all, but the most myopic or fearful, that the costs of the policies have far outweighed the benefits and we may have only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of costs. My only caveat to that would be if Covid infection has some devastating impact to individuals that shows up later, which doesn't seem likely, but is not impossible and is of no consolation to the rare long-haulers.
No one should be doxxed or canceled for their opinions, other than for promoting violence or crime. Nor should we have a selective group that determines what is the truth for the masses.
It's become a pejorative term for whatever reason, but I consider myself a free speech absolutist. Misinformation is free speech, but that's why we have debate and free speech to combat it. Free speech is a two street, but many are trying to turn into a one way straight. (See Twitter for example). Now while I believe you have the right to see whatever you want, you also have a responsibility not to say whatever you want in a civil society.
Desert Hound
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And that is a concerning problem.
That is why they are getting the vapors about Musk and Twitter.
I think its called "doubling down" they can't flip and make a difference before November so it might be there only option. As I've said before Trump was a knee jerk reaction to Obama, and Biden was a knee jerk reaction to Trump. Biden is an unmitigated disaster, but hey, at least its not Trump, or that's how the left rationalizes it.
kickingandscreaming
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The belief that consumer demand or decisions, in general, are only "partly" being a function of free will/thought opens the door for authoritarianism in that it implies people must be protected from themselves. It is the justification behind the Ministry of Truth.
EvilGoalie 21
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Well, part of the time reading posts on this thread. Some of it related to soccer.
As I recall going along one of the things people pointed to on this thread as not being investigated was the durability of infection-acquired vs vaccination-acquired immunity. There was a period of underpowered studies examining humoral immunity that were linked here and people initially jumped up and down and made a big fuss over them. People eventually lost focus on that, but the data has continued to come in. It now appears individual variation in the antibody component of the immune response is much bigger than any difference in the kinetics of antibody decline. There were also claims about vaccination vs infection in preventing disease and long term cellular immunity not being investigated. Those are longer term studies but some are now completed and probably have not been linked here. The upshot is that both can provide durable long term immunity, which is probably the most important thing going forward, at least in terms of immune system vs virus. Only thing is that the durability of immune memory following infection seems to correspond with severity of infection.
If its something else vaccine science related that you think is being suppressed I can look it up cause there is lots of stuff coming all the time.
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Too make the claim of intelligent decisions with respect to adult covid vaccine refusal is a bit of a stretch.
There have been far too many hospitalizations for that to be seen as a well informed conscious choice. Misinformation is a better description.
kickingandscreaming
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The problem isn't misinformation, it's mistrust.
People regularly make emotional decisions instead of well-informed decisions. A primary cause is a dislike and/or distrust of the messenger. Whatever an unliked/untrusted messenger says, they will do the opposite. People will search for a reason, any reason, to do the opposite. We see many examples of this with Trump or Hillary Clinton. The misinformation will present itself if enough people don't want to believe a message. Again, it's not the misinformation, it's the mistrust that drives this behavior. Stupidity such as the Ministry of Truth will only make it worse. You can't regulate emotional thinking into rational action. The more centralized our governing becomes, the more we'll see "misinformation" issues among individuals that are not led by peers but by "elites" and who feel more and more removed from the decision-making processes.
Elites are going to have to get over that not everyone will bow down to their perceived intellectual and moral superiority. Being "right" doesn't matter if enough people think otherwise. Responding with authoritarian edicts will only increase the divide. Make your case and move on - and get over yourselves.
Where, in all of that, do you have any responsibility to get your facts straight?
The way you tell it, every time I fall some for line of bull shit, all I have to do is say “flawed messenger” and my own actions are no longer my fault.
Hüsker Dü
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Aka “fake news” . . . “If it’s bad I just call it fake!”
I was 100% intelligent about saying no to covid vaccine. My best pal said, "yes" to jab because of fear ((losing his job and house)) and now he has blood clots and is on blood thinner and will live everyday wondering if another clot is roaming through his blood. My other friends sister said "no" to vaccine but became emotional from the peer pressure from dads and brothers like you. She is now dead and the brother who preached like you will not come out of his depression or his room.
Early on in this plan to destroy our country, the hospitals counted all deaths as Covid deaths if they had the flu with their gun shot to the head. In OC, we all remember a motorcyclist that was brain dead from being killed by a car, was counted as Covid death. All this to get paid triple and ruin our country. So many teachers & Docs are in for the take too. So sad. Great job math teacher preaching all the way to the end.
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