Vaccine

Take a breath then a walk... it's nice in Cali today.

Agreed. It's amazing out. Already got my walk in. About to do the soccer practice drop-off routine -- then going to hit the trails. Too bad you and Crush live in SoCal otherwise I'd ask you to join.
 
Agreed. It's amazing out. Already got my walk in. About to do the soccer practice drop-off routine -- then going to hit the trails. Too bad you and Crush live in SoCal otherwise I'd ask you to join.
We all need to meet up after this is all over for some beers, that's for sure. Socal weather has been amazing NorCalDad. This was the other day with me and the sun. I think Met61 took the 30 day challenge and just got back? BTW, crush got busted. 60 day suspension.
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EJ will miss you Mavs. I have to leave for 30 day challenge. Life coach say's this place is low energy and toxic for my soul and it's time to leave and heal and take care of myself for once. The last woman to challenge with a 30 day deal was my wife. No meat for 30 days. I told her ok but I'm eating the biggest steak after. Guess what dude? Never went back for the steak. I won;t say never but I'm out for 30 days. I go to FA man. You have lost your mind Mavs. GG is nuts as well. Are you two the same? Are you Espola as well?
 
Higher levels of myocarditis in boys than thought....

A lot of work to be done in this area with hopefully more studies to come. Moderna has a higher incidence. Canada (and others) has been smart about spacing out 1st and 2nd dose, which likely helps in mitigating risk of myocarditis. There is risk of myocarditis with natural infection but incidences have been rather low and mild , just like every year with viral infections. Something about MRNA that makes this a bit different - it'swhy studies are needed and parents need to carefully assess risk/benefit.

IF you want to vaccinate your U18 boy child, highly recommend spacing out the doses - forget to come back for the second appt.... Likely no need for boosters, especially for college aged kids. Ramping antibodies for the sake of ramping up is rather foolish. it's as if some people have forgotten about the other, more important aspects of our immune system.
 
A lot of work to be done in this area with hopefully more studies to come. Moderna has a higher incidence. Canada (and others) has been smart about spacing out 1st and 2nd dose, which likely helps in mitigating risk of myocarditis.
This is why you have LONG TERM studies.

Some here have argued the vaxxes have been studied and/or totally safe.

The further we go, we keep finding stuff.

We are seeing myocarditis in young boys/men. There is no good reason to mandate a vaxx which has that possible side affect for a virus that has no risk to them.
 
This is why you have LONG TERM studies.

Some here have argued the vaxxes have been studied and/or totally safe.

The further we go, we keep finding stuff.

We are seeing myocarditis in young boys/men. There is no good reason to mandate a vaxx which has that possible side affect for a virus that has no risk to them.
I was talking to pal yesterday Hound and he is double jabbed and booster. Great guy with a heart of gold. He always obeyed his parents when I knew him a s teenager and was taught to obey authorities. He knows deep down and has told me behind close doors that he thinks this is a big scam now. I asked why take all the shots and he said it's because he wants things back to what it was and he thought they were being honest. BTW, his name is not Norm, but he wants things normal again. He feels awful about my work situation and how my dd can't play in college. I told him this and straight up to his face and stared directly in his eyes and with love & kindness I told him, "as long as comply to the shots and all the liars, this is YOUR new normal bro, because You agreed to their demands. It's as simple is as simple is. I'm shocked bro. This guy has a Masters in Biology. No street smart class for him because he was living in a bubble with his mommy and daddy. Now reality is hitting him hard because he turn his back on the truth because of fear. Yup, fear of losing his normal life, which he lost already.

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None? Even I can pick out a couple that if not enamored with or give them a 100% buy I can at least give a modicum of support. Wow what a sad state of affairs things must be if everyone is garbage to you.
Why always with the all or nothing? I try to find some redeeming quality in everyone.
 
This is why you have LONG TERM studies.

Some here have argued the vaxxes have been studied and/or totally safe.

The further we go, we keep finding stuff.

We are seeing myocarditis in young boys/men. There is no good reason to mandate a vaxx which has that possible side affect for a virus that has no risk to them.
Pfizer/Moderna will continue to track PH III participants for at least two more years. The bottom line is the vaccines were rushed to market, accelerating the normal process - for very good reasons. No one is suprised there are gaps in capability and blind spots in trials.

Moderna specifically is on the record early saying their trials will not demonstrate prevention of hospitalization because the size and duration of the trial would have needed to be vastly increased to collect the necessary data. They designed their study just like pfizer and jj - to detect a relative risk reduction of at least 30% in participants developing lab-confirmed covid-19, consistent with FDA and international guidance. They basically designed covid vaccines after flu vaccines, which are better at preventing severe disease better than mild disease. The science is forever evolving.

Everything else spewing from the mouth of talking heads is theater ---just like masking. NOW the hand is being revealed as to how masking should be logically implemented based on science. The data has always been there, it's always been on the fine print when you buy surgical masks. Remember in CA when they told people masks wouldn't work during fires?
 
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