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Agree but I also think it involves accepting that there will be some climate change and the need to adapt to it (at least until there is some bigger tech solution for that).

In the long long run, over enough time, I also think we are all either doomed or off planet because something is going to get us (and of those things, climate change if fairly low on my list to lose sleep over). Far more worried about a nuclear exchange over the Baltics or Taiwan than the earth warming to a cinder or COVID.
I don't disagree and I ultimately think the sun and earth have much stronger control over the climate than we do. I think we've done a tremendous job in certain cases with improving water quality. Maybe a more efficient approach is to improve things on a case by case basis, i.e. scars here and there on the earth instead of trying to implement global policies that are likely to fail for a variety of reasons.
 
USDA is not exactly an impartial observer on this, and 1.24 or 1.3 is not really good enough to justify the land use.

On the other hand, if the 5.4 switchgrass number holds up, I may become an ethanol fan.

I remember w standing in what looked like a Texas roadside ditch the first time he brought up switchgrass. I got the impression it was essentially a free weed, sort of like the blackberries that grow alongside the roads in Oregon.
 
The lack of awareness regarding many using/advocating electric vehicles is always interesting.

- They don't realize that in most cases in the US their electricity comes from fossil fuel powered plants
- They like to say drilling for oil harms the environment...completely overlooking the fact that to get the materials needed for batteries requires mining on a large scale.

And so on.

I am not against electric. But it isn't nearly as clean as it is presented to be.
They oversell electric, but it is still a big win.

A small electric car gets about 4 miles per kilowatt hour. A comparable size gasoline car with similar acceleration would get about 30 mpg.

Which means you have to ask whether 15 kilowatt hours are worse then two gallons of gasoline.

The electricity costs you 12.75 pounds of CO2. (using national average of .85 lbs per kwh)
The gas costs you 37.48 pounds of CO2. (average of 18.74 lbs per gallon)

Over the 180,000 mile life of the car, that saves you about 37 tons of CO2.

You still have to make the battery, which is more energy intensive than making a combustion engine. But you’re still saving around 30 tons of CO2 per car.

More, if you can switch to non-carbon power generation for your lithium refining.
 
California needs to up its water storage. The last major water projects in the state were in the 60s. Since that time the population has more than doubled.
"Whisky is for drinking, water is for fighting".

Had a property in Utah that I subdivided. Only well water for drinking and local ditch for irrigation. Let me just say, you learn about your neighbors. Fun times getting that approved. Best part is the most opposition came from those that just recently subdivided or built themselves.

"The difference between a developer and an environmentalist is a developer wants to build a house in the woods and an environmentalist already owns a house in the woods."
 
Coocoos and nonsense are not meaningful debate.
if you want toknow why we are divided look in the mirror. You dismiss everyone that disagrees with you as slanted, condemn the bad behavior of the side you disagree with but are perfectly fine with and defend folks like espola or the repeated hypocrisy of dad4.
or as my Orwellian translator puts it: “I don’t like anyone that disagrees with me and if you disagree with my overwhelmingly right and virtuous opinions, you are a fringe lunatic and dividing us. Meanwhile those that agree with me can do no wrong because they are on the side of right and virtue”
And no you arent the peanut gallery. You know it, i know it and everyone here knows it. You are trolling but just aren’t as good as the others at it (even soccermavericky does it better). You are as transparent as glass.
You are projecting on me your preferred stereotype. We had checks and balances within the political system and amongst the parties themselves. The extremist back in the day were neutralized, not so much anymore. When Sarah Palin opened her mouth on a national stage (and began attracting believers) things started going sideways.
I agree with many, if not most, of what traditional conservatives ‘say’ they are about. The reality often doesn’t always resemble the talk. The “trump style Republicans” and their base aren’t preaching policy to disagree with they are pushing their aggrieved feelings.
Policy? What policy?
As the right pulls further away they look back thinking it’s an equal split. We now have American political pundits siding with Putin, think about that.
 
You also once recommended LA tear out much of its “green space” to build housing. Not very “climate friendly”.
Green space? No. I recommended you allow dense development in places you already allow buildings. Quite climate friendly. And it would make that toy subway of yours look a little less silly.
 
Green space? No. I recommended you allow dense development in places you already allow buildings. Quite climate friendly. And it would make that toy subway of yours look a little less silly.
Nope. You made a pretty clear reference to all of the golf courses. Dense development further reduces green space (ie Lawns and shrubbery).
 
You are projecting on me your preferred stereotype. We had checks and balances within the political system and amongst the parties themselves. The extremist back in the day were neutralized, not so much anymore. When Sarah Palin opened her mouth on a national stage (and began attracting believers) things started going sideways.
I agree with many, if not most, of what traditional conservatives ‘say’ they are about. The reality often doesn’t always resemble the talk. The “trump style Republicans” and their base aren’t preaching policy to disagree with they are pushing their aggrieved feelings.
Policy? What policy?
As the right pulls further away they look back thinking it’s an equal split. We now have American political pundits siding with Putin, think about that.

Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants. Then there's all the PC stuff and diversity stuff and Bernie Bro economics (where Bernie is even considered, among some on this forum, too tame in comparison to Reich, AOC and/or Elizabeth Warren). It's not just the right that's moved...the left very clearly has and I'd argue even more substantially (when they moved into outright COVID hysteria and punishing the kids).

The biggest difference is that the right used to take it and cloth themselves to be softer (e.g. "a thousand points of light", "compassionate conservativity", gentlemanly Mitt (who still got bashed as evil) and Mavericky McCain). With Trump, they voted for someone who wouldn't just let the left and media walk away with it (and at the same time claim that they were being "nonpartisan") without fighting back. That part is here to stay (but hopefully they can get someone saner than Trump).
 
Nope. You made a pretty clear reference to all of the golf courses. Dense development further reduces green space (ie Lawns and shrubbery).
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
 
Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants. Then there's all the PC stuff and diversity stuff and Bernie Bro economics (where Bernie is even considered, among some on this forum, too tame in comparison to Reich, AOC and/or Elizabeth Warren). It's not just the right that's moved...the left very clearly has and I'd argue even more substantially (when they moved into outright COVID hysteria and punishing the kids).

The biggest difference is that the right used to take it and cloth themselves to be softer (e.g. "a thousand points of light", "compassionate conservativity", gentlemanly Mitt (who still got bashed as evil) and Mavericky McCain). With Trump, they voted for someone who wouldn't just let the left and media walk away with it (and at the same time claim that they were being "nonpartisan") without fighting back. That part is here to stay (but hopefully they can get someone saner than Trump).
Slick Willie wanted to get things done so he acquiesced to some of Newts demands. Hence the pact. The whole welfare queen fantasy that derived from Reagan was bs to scare white suburbanites into voting for tax breaks for the wealthy . . . like always.
 
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
Again, something is important to everyone, including a nice walk ruined. For you, it's traveling to club soccer games, tournaments, masks and having children. For someone else, it's golf. You can't do this by veto.
 
Slick Willie wanted to get things done so he acquiesced to some of Newts demands. Hence the pact. The whole welfare queen fantasy that derived from Reagan was bs to scare white suburbanites into voting for tax breaks for the wealthy . . . like always.

Grain of truth but your partisanship is showing again Mr Moderate.
 
Golf courses are the least environmental example of green space you could pick.

There is nothing environmental about pouring pesticides, herbicides, and water on 100 acres of grass for the benefit of a very small number of golfers. You have what, 72 people using it at a time? For 100+ acres that you killed with the pesticides?

Rip it out and put in 100 acres of sports fields. You’d serve more than ten times as many people.
Your recommendation was to rip them out and build housing on them.

just like your recommendation to do away with HS sports because not everyone can make the team.
 
Oh please...with every step you are showing your partisanship more clearly. I agree the right has moved (I'm no Trump fan). The left has moved as well from the days where Bill Clinton joined the railing against welfare moms and illegal immigrants.
Pew does research on this.

They look at major political issues over the past couple of decades.

The rise of ideological uniformity has been much more pronounced among those who are the most politically active. Today, almost four-in-ten (38%) politically engaged Democrats are consistent liberals, up from just 8% in 1994. The change among Republicans since then appears less dramatic – 33% express consistently conservative views, up from 23% in the midst of the 1994 “Republican Revolution.”
 
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