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watfly said:
I wouldn't hesitate to buy an electric car when its time for a new car. I'm not a fan of ethanol as a solution, not being critical of your E85, just from what I've read I don't think its a good way to go (energy and land required to produce it, etc.
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Ethanol began as a subsidy to corn farmers. Last time I looked at it, the whole process was net negative for energy. You use more fuel to make the extra fertilizer than you create by fermenting the corn.

Might be better now if they are using waste products like stalks for the fermentation.
 
dad4 said:
So reply to the policy items and stop calling other people stupid.

Very large CO2 emissions reductions are possible by changing zoning, upgrading y[transmission lines, building non-fossil fuel power generation, and choosing small electric cars for most new vehicles. Ball is in your court.
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a. while I might very well call espola stupid, I would never dream of calling you stupid. I do critique your line of thinking. It is limited when it comes to certain issues where you go with emotions instead of reasoning. This is one of them. You also repeatedly ignore the time factor which is why you've been called out on it time and time again (you are playing 3 d chess when you need to be playing 4...espola is still playing 2 and not even doing that very well). You also repeatedly treat things like they are a US only problem and fail to factor in the rest of the world.That doesn't mean you are stupid and I actually have a lot of respect for your intellectual chops. I just think you let your emotions get the better of you.
b. I agree those steps would lead to less CO2 emissions. Like your "masks and indoor dining" though it's not enough particularly as this is a problem that GLOBALLY grows with TIME.
c. Here we have a philosophical disagreement. Like many on the left, your inclination is to "do something" because it makes us feel better, even if it causes suffering on others and doesn't rectify the problem. My position is sure do that, so long as it doesn't hurt others (particularly if it doesn't solve the problem).
d. The car thing is the perfect example. The policy to work isn't "choosing small electric cars for most new vehicles"....it's "and run existing beaters into the ground".
e. That leaves you in the end with a dilemma and a choice that you always seem to be reluctant to articulate and go full all in, because I suspect you are conscious of your authoritarian tendencies and want to keep them in check knowing that if you don't you'll go full Mao. We saw it with your admiration for Australian, New Zealand and China even though you never came out and said yeah let's do that. We see it here with your wanting to ban people from getting big cars, wanting to force the Obamas to get windfarms and the Kerrys to stop flying private, wanting to take the bone out of my dog's mouth and the burger from my hand, and wanting to force everyone into flats (except when the sacrifice is required from you of course, since club soccer and masks are totally o.k.). In the end, you know deep down inside what would be required....you just don't want to say it so you prefer to preach about it and hope for the best (which in the end I really don't see as all that different than my faith in humans and technological solutions).
 
dad4 said:
Especially because I’m recommending the more efficient cars which have a more limited range.
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There's another Adam video that goes into this. It has environmental repercussions too particularly given the issue of fast charging, absent a technology solution.
 
Grace T. said:
There's another Adam video that goes into this. It has environmental repercussions too particularly given the issue of fast charging, absent a technology solution.
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Every option option has environmental repercussions, as long as we're on this earth. I think we can find a better balance (which likely will still include fossil fuels to some extent).
 
watfly said:
I wouldn't hesitate to buy an electric car when its time for a new car. I'm not a fan of ethanol as a solution, not being critical of your E85, just from what I've read I don't think its a good way to go (energy and land required to produce it, etc.
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Think of ethanol as stored solar energy.
 
Desert Hound said:
If the US went heavy electric vehicles we would need to build a lot more power plants. Right now that would mean mainly fossil fuel type plants.
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Charging network plus power plants plus solving the fast charge problem plus (at least in the US) coming to a common standard (otherwise you need the charging station which works for your particular vehicles)
 
watfly said:
Every option option has environmental repercussions, as long as we're on this earth. I think we can find a better balance (which likely will still include fossil fuels to some extent).
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Agree but I also think it involves accepting that there will be some climate change and the need to adapt to it (at least until there is some bigger tech solution for that).

In the long long run, over enough time, I also think we are all either doomed or off planet because something is going to get us (and of those things, climate change if fairly low on my list to lose sleep over). Far more worried about a nuclear exchange over the Baltics or Taiwan than the earth warming to a cinder or COVID.
 
espola said:
Think of ethanol as stored solar energy.
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That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.
 
watfly said:
That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.
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Most US corn is produced in states that get their water from the sky. Hey, that's where the sun is too!

www.cropprophet.com

US Corn Production By State: The Top 11 Rankings [in 2023]

What state produces the most corn? Is it the same states year-after-year? Does early-season flooding impact the rankings?
www.cropprophet.com www.cropprophet.com
 
Grace T. said:
a. while I might very well call espola stupid, I would never dream of calling you stupid. I do critique your line of thinking. It is limited when it comes to certain issues where you go with emotions instead of reasoning. This is one of them. You also repeatedly ignore the time factor which is why you've been called out on it time and time again (you are playing 3 d chess when you need to be playing 4...espola is still playing 2 and not even doing that very well). You also repeatedly treat things like they are a US only problem and fail to factor in the rest of the world.That doesn't mean you are stupid and I actually have a lot of respect for your intellectual chops. I just think you let your emotions get the better of you.
b. I agree those steps would lead to CO2 emissions. Like your "masks and indoor dining" though it's not enough particularly as this is a problem that GLOBALLY grows with TIME.
c. Here we have a philosophical disagreement. Like many on the left, your inclination is to "do something" because it makes us feel better, even if it causes suffering on others and doesn't rectify the problem. My position is sure do that, so long as it doesn't hurt others.
d. The car thing is the perfect example. The policy to work isn't "choosing small electric cars for most new vehicles"....it's "and run existing beaters into the ground".
e. That leaves you in the end with a dilemma and a choice that you always seem to be reluctant to articulate and go full all in, because I suspect you are conscious of your authoritarian tendencies and want to keep them in check knowing that if you don't you'll go full Mao. We saw it with your admiration for Australian, New Zealand and China even though you never came out and said yeah let's do that. We see it here with your wanting to ban people from getting big cars, wanting to force the Obamas to get windfarms and the Kerrys to stop flying private, wanting to take the bone out of my dog's mouth and the burger from my hand, and wanting to force everyone into flats (except when the sacrifice is required from you of course, since club soccer and masks are totally o.k.). In the end, you know deep down inside what would be required....you just don't want to say it so you prefer to preach about it and hope for the best (which in the end I really don't see as all that different than my faith in humans and technological solutions).
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”Maintain your old car” is not inconsistent with “buy electric for the new one.”. We can, and should, do both.

The rest is just more insults.
 
Desert Hound said:
Unfortunately no 18/19 teams. My DD is still a junior and just found out the school she had a verbal commit with...the coach just left.
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Well, that sucks bro.
kickingandscreaming said:
Damn - one of dads was just talking about the large turnover of college coaches this season.
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How about all those transfers going to USC football? My dd and I were just talking about how weird it would be if she would have emailed the coach in 7th grade at one school we were told to email has had three coaches already. School first is for Juniors and seniors, not a 7th grader. Plus, kids want to play for a good coach. Girls get ripped for club hopping and looking for a good match with a coach. It's recipe for so much pain for our girls. Think about the players who gave SC everything and now their seat is taken from a transfer?
 
The lack of awareness regarding many using/advocating electric vehicles is always interesting.

- They don't realize that in most cases in the US their electricity comes from fossil fuel powered plants
- They like to say drilling for oil harms the environment...completely overlooking the fact that to get the materials needed for batteries requires mining on a large scale.

And so on.

I am not against electric. But it isn't nearly as clean as it is presented to be.
 
dad4 said:
”Maintain your old car” is not inconsistent with “buy electric for the new one.”. We can, and should, do both.

The rest is just more insults.
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I see you are going with the ol run away from critiques and say its a personal attack rather than answer the critique head on (even when I've explained and actually said something nice I admire about you).

You still end up in your box BTW, which you can't figure out a way out of, because you don't want to go fully authoritarian, so settle for the preaching.
 
watfly said:
That's one way to think about, but then lets just cut out the middle man, and go straight from sun to energy (I get the stored part I just don't know how efficient corn is at storage). Corn requires a lot of water as well.
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Magnetism bro. You need to get "Magnetized" brother. It's real and Tesla knows all about and so does the planet. We were so dumbed down that they kept it from us. Anyone who used their brain and figured free wireless energy was killed. That wanted to "charge" you and control you with a + and -. You of all people will be blown away when you see the TRUTH. It was always here, we were just lied to
 
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