By your anti-abortion rhetoric i took you as Pro-Life not Pro-Choice.
Vaccine
- Thread starter Multi Sport
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The distinction is whether they are helping people understand the actual science.
“Some people still get infected, therefore the vaccine is a failure” is not a step towards understanding anything. We already know the vaccine is neither 0% effective nor 100% effective. It’s in the middle. Repeatedly saying the vax isn’t perfect doesn’t really add anything to our understanding.
If you want a useful mental model, imagine immunity works by flipping a coin. If it comes up heads, your immune system kicks in and blocks covid for one month. Tails, you still get covid and infect your friends.
If one person has a coin, it helps them a little. Maybe they flip heads, maybe they don’t. If almost everyone has a coin, it makes it very hard for the disease to spread, because it keeps running into people who flip heads.
Bruddah IZ
DA
You mean while the Science itself is being ignored.
All the nessie graphs where omicron COVID has taken off belie this point. I can't believe you are even making it against the omicron. It's exactly stuff like this which is going to start people (who even CNN has admitted have stopped listening to you) to turn on you. From the data we know the Pfizer booster even 10 weeks out is IIRC 15% effective at stopping transmission, declining.
Re serious illness, the vaccines are making a dramatic impact on hospital admissions. Except for the oldest age groups, however, boosters don't seem to be making much of a difference, for the middle group just being vaxxed seems to make the most difference, and for the under 30 there's still no meaningful distinction for any of this.
Who are you quoting? I never claimed it was a failure, just that it doesn’t provide the immunity that most other vaccines do.
Not to mention, how do you quantify “some” cause that percentage is rising and rapidly approaching what I would call “most”.
Bite hard on this logic Kicker 2.0. I am 100% against abortion and I never have rhetoric on this subject. Keep hitting lower buddy. I got balls of steel. I'm glad your back to be honest. I want everyone to have this on record: I will not walk away and turn my back when I see you at the fields. In fact, I will stay to my left side with plenty of room and I will not say a word to you. I will only stare at you in your eyes as I walk by. That is it. Anything else that happens is on you. Wow kicker, you went low today but my balls are made of steel....lol!!!
Hüsker Dü
DA
Yes, back when the tobacco industry was the one trying to convince people to not trust science.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Who did they work for?
Hüsker Dü
DA
Everyone is out with Covid, no drivers, no stockers.
Not as protective as most other vaccines?
That much I can agree with. Happy to throw out Pfizer as soon as something better comes along.
There are reasons to reduce transmission, even when you can't get R<1.
All the nessie graphs where omicron COVID has taken off belie this point. I can't believe you are even making it against the omicron. It's exactly stuff like this which is going to start people (who even CNN has admitted have stopped listening to you) to turn on you. From the data we know the Pfizer booster even 10 weeks out is IIRC 15% effective at stopping transmission, declining.
Freeways in la seem awful light too. A usual 50 minute commute today took 25 minutes and that was with a traffic break. Don’t know if anyone has actual data.
No there aren’t. Hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed (they aren’t…even cdc director has spoken about with/covid). There’s no magic solution on the horizon (before everyone gets it). The only thing you are doing is pushing out infections into another wave by leaving dry brush. And a lot of the unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point
on the other hand, there are huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.
at a minimum, you’re the one that always decries anything less than perfect accuracy. Pot meet kettle. You know the 50% thing is false with the omicron…drop your false talking point.
Grace T says....
The unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point
Huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.
Thanks Grace T for thinking of me. It's been the hardest time ever. I feel so "left out" of life and 100% kicked out of civic life. I hope dad and others can see the truth and see how this is one sided because one side cheated because the one side hated a certain man because the certain orange dude had it all on the higher ups. I mean, has it all. Busted!!!
The unvaxxed has natural immunity at this point
Huge downsides to forcing people who are only slightly more contagious than others such as by depriving them of access to civic life. Cost/benefit. Try it sometime.
Thanks Grace T for thinking of me. It's been the hardest time ever. I feel so "left out" of life and 100% kicked out of civic life. I hope dad and others can see the truth and see how this is one sided because one side cheated because the one side hated a certain man because the certain orange dude had it all on the higher ups. I mean, has it all. Busted!!!
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
That's a BIG fat LIE.
The supply chain is broken due to Biden's Criminal
vaccine MANDATES....wait until after January 15 , that's
when the REAL damage will ensue due to all the truckers
losing the ability to drive due to Biden's MANDATES.
Unless the Supreme Court Justices rule against the MANDATES.
Which does not appear they will rule against them.
You and your ilk are a huge problem to society with the way you
LIE about what is really happening.
It’s in the chart posted above. Moderna was higher. Not sure if the 10 week figure is 15% or 25% (can’t recall which is why I said iirc) but that was at the limit of the time period boosters tracked at it was declining. It’s not 50%. You know it. Just fess up and say you were using an exaggerated talking point (we all do it…you always accuse others of doing it….pot kettle). Otherwise please post a finding that says 10+ weeks out Pfizer remains at 50% efficiency (here’s a hint: you can find one for moderna but also declining).
Which chart is that?