Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
It's the perfect thing to say because they can never be proved wrong. It's what people do when they are frustrated with the outcome of their previous predictions.
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Actually, the impact of 100% vaccination can be determined with a high degree of accuracy. That is exactly what the right kinds of expert epidemiologists and statisticians do. But you are making the case for the stupidity of relying on God to save you. It's great how people claim that something that is absolutely provable isn't "provable" based solely on the fact that it hasn't happened in front of their own eyes, but then they turn around and believe in some fake all powerful being in the sky who, despite all the efforts of all the prayer warriors in the world, hasn't saved a single dumbfuck from their anti-vax/mask stupidity.
 
dad4 said:
The purpose of the mask mandate is to limit the size of a holiday delta spike. You can’t really make that decision on a city by city basis. Extra cases from transmission in El Cajon will clearly affect cases and bed availability in La Mesa. The cities in each region need to be on the same page.

It’s a fair argument that the state ought to let large counties or regions choose their own path. But delegating communicable disease policy to the personal level is just silly- in the same way that letting each person write their own fire code would be silly.
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Yeah we really missed the boat when we didnt ban sex during the AIDS crisis.
 
GoldenGate said:
Actually, the impact of 100% vaccination can be determined with a high degree of accuracy. That is exactly what the right kinds of expert epidemiologists and statisticians do. But you are making the case for the stupidity of relying on God to save you. It's great how people claim that something that is absolutely provable isn't "provable" based solely on the fact that it hasn't happened in front of their own eyes, but then they turn around and believe in some fake all powerful being in the sky who, despite all the efforts of all the prayer warriors in the world, hasn't saved a single dumbfuck from their anti-vax/mask stupidity.
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Still tilting at windmills. I give you credit for being consistent.
 
watfly said:
Still tilting at windmills. I give you credit for being consistent.
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Based on my spiritual calculations, Golden Gate "The Great EOTL" is 100% atheist and elitist=? I give you credit sir for being true to yourself. You never sugar coat your beliefs and I respect you for that. Wat Fly is agnostic. Crush is 100% a believer in God almighty and his power to get us through this. We do admit we need some help and a Ruler to rule us with truth and justice. We all know who that is and I can;t wait for his Gr8t return. Wat Fly, you can't sit on the fence of life too much longer. I love you guys and thanks for playing the game of life with me.
 
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watfly said:
Yeah we really missed the boat when we didnt ban sex during the AIDS crisis.
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weird comparison, but then again the advise was condoms (aka masks for a correlation) I suppose.

Maybe correlate it to the measles vaccine, where the stated objective was that we needed 95%+ vaccinated to eliminate measles; we achieved that. More recently people have stopped getting the vaccine, so we've fallen below the 95% and holy cr@p, guess what ... there have been measles outbreaks - whodathunkit!
 
dad4 said:
The purpose of the mask mandate is to limit the size of a holiday delta spike. You can’t really make that decision on a city by city basis. Extra cases from transmission in El Cajon will clearly affect cases and bed availability in La Mesa. The cities in each region need to be on the same page.

It’s a fair argument that the state ought to let large counties or regions choose their own path. But delegating communicable disease policy to the personal level is just silly- in the same way that letting each person write their own fire code would be silly.
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La Mesans don't intermingle with El Cajonians, actually no one intermingles with El Cajonians.:p

So based on your position you would be in favor of a mandate for the HPV vaccine? It's over 99% effective and would eliminate 70% of cervical cancer. The Covid vaccine doesn't come anywhere close to that effectiveness.
 
watfly said:
Yeah we really missed the boat when we didnt ban sex during the AIDS crisis.
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We did close the bath houses. It was quite contentious at the time. There were plenty of people who made your argument about personal choice and individual risk assessment.

Early in the crisis, that is. Ten years later, the “I can do whatever I want” crowd had either changed their minds or died.
 
whatithink said:
weird comparison, but then again the advise was condoms (aka masks for a correlation) I suppose.

Maybe correlate it to the measles vaccine, where the stated objective was that we needed 95%+ vaccinated to eliminate measles; we achieved that. More recently people have stopped getting the vaccine, so we've fallen below the 95% and holy cr@p, guess what ... there have been measles outbreaks - whodathunkit!
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Admittedly weird, I was being hyperbolic.

The measles vaccine is incredibly more effective than the Covid vaccine and the measles vaccine wasn't mandated for school children until years after it was developed. Same for the Polio vaccine.

Where the measles vaccine was implemented in the 60"s it was effective in very short order. It was proposed to be eliminated by 1982, but was not declared eliminated by US health authorities until 2000.
 
watfly said:
La Mesans don't intermingle with El Cajonians, actually no one intermingles with El Cajonians.:p

So based on your position you would be in favor of a mandate for the HPV vaccine? It's over 99% effective and would eliminate 70% of cervical cancer. The Covid vaccine doesn't come anywhere close to that effectiveness.
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The higher effectiveness for HPV vaccine makes personal choice more feasable. A family really can protect their daughter by getting the shot.

The catch is, it’s really hard to ask a father to view his 14 year old daughter as someone who might be having sex. A good friend of mine in high school got cervical cancer before the vaccine was developed. She was in her 20s, but she was active in high school. Had the vaccine been around, the dad probably would have declined it and explained that his daughter was a good Catholic girl. Good kid, good dad. Just not talking on that one issue.

A HPV vaccine mandate might help kids like that. At a minimum, the 14 year old kid should be able to get the HPV shot without parental permission. No need for teenagers to get cancer just because dad can’t handle who his kid really is.
 
GoldenGate said:
Actually, the impact of 100% vaccination can be determined with a high degree of accuracy. That is exactly what the right kinds of expert epidemiologists and statisticians do. But you are making the case for the stupidity of relying on God to save you. It's great how people claim that something that is absolutely provable isn't "provable" based solely on the fact that it hasn't happened in front of their own eyes, but then they turn around and believe in some fake all powerful being in the sky who, despite all the efforts of all the prayer warriors in the world, hasn't saved a single dumbfuck from their anti-vax/mask stupidity.
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100% vaccination of who for what? Smarty pants.

Of all people on this forum, you are the one that is in need of some sort of powerful being in the sky. How you get there is on you. There are powerful plants that can help you on your journey that don't need prescriptions. If you want to go the prescribed route, there are options. I promise you will feel better about yourself and how you relate to others. The first step is acceptance, gets easier from there.
 
dad4 said:
We did close the bath houses. It was quite contentious at the time. There were plenty of people who made your argument about personal choice and individual risk assessment.

Early in the crisis, that is. Ten years later, the “I can do whatever I want” crowd had either changed their minds or died.
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What's interesting is the ACLU was dead set against the closure of bath houses for, among other things, personal freedom and privacy rights. Whereas, right wingers (likely the religious ones) were all for the closure of bath houses. My how far we've come.

The difference with the closure of bath houses (many proposed but most were not implemented) is that that was clearly was a primary source of the spread of the virus because that's where a lot of the activity that spread the virus occurred. Which is not remotely comparable to Covid in terms of a source (despite your protestations in regards to restaurants and bars.) At the time, AIDS/HIV was a death sentence with no known effective treatment or cure.
 
dad4 said:
What makes you think omicron has multiple 2 week windows in it? Doubling time is too short for that. What ever it is or isn’t, it should have quieted down well before Valentine’s Day.

Which is both good and bad. Over quickly, but not much time to change course if your initial policy fails.
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I don't, I was being facetious. We've heard the two week timetable for lagging indicators since this whole thing started. It's become a cry wolf scenario. SA is well into it's Omicron wave. It's likely Omicron has been circulating for sometime. Fingers crossed that it remains on its current trend.
Unfortunately governments can't let a manufactured emergency go to waste. We should certainly keep an eye on this but reaction has been interesting to say the least.
 
dad4 said:
The higher effectiveness for HPV vaccine makes personal choice more feasable.
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So because the Covid vaccine is far less effective we have to mandate? That makes zero sense. But yes because it is less effective our government is forcing, coercing and bribing people to get it because the vaccine isn't good enough to speak for itself. That's the point that Team Virus is trying to make with regards to the propriety of the mandates.
 
Brav520 said:
I believe they had Golden Gate going to the bathhouses and yelling at them to “stop having unprotected sex you stupid dumbfuck douchebags”
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I don't want to speak for GG, but I believe he is a firm supporter of the ACLU and since he follows a narrative I'm speculating that he would have been against closing bathhouses.
 
Wow some colleagues of mine (triple vaxxed) have just come down with a suspected COVID case at a wedding they attended with mass breakthroughs (they are over 30 people now....almost everyone there vaccinated and boosted and except for a meal masked....suspecting omicron). The colleague I talked to thought it was allergies at first but has taken a turn for the worse. I have a bad feeling about January in California....schools will be effectively shut down with mass quarantines due to exposure, lots of business will have to temporarily shutter due to mass people getting sick.
 
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