Vaccine

espola said:
The other choice is to get naturally infected, with all the risks that entails.
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Per usual you cannot figure out what you read.

It isn't saying dont get vaccinated. It is making the point that people that have gotten covid get reinfected at lower rates than people who are vaccinated. The conclusion being that if you have gotten covid already there is no need currently to get vaccinated.

The choice for you espola is to work on reading comprehension. Once you do that you could try having a position on something instead of being an idiot troll.
 
tjinaz said:
How are you going to verify they have taken the vaccine? A card? Seems pretty easy to fake. As soon as the rule comes down there will instantly be over 70% vaccinated.. according to the cards.
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Cards are enough. A few people will fake them. Most people are better than that.
 
Desert Hound said:
Per usual you cannot figure out what you read.

It isn't saying dont get vaccinated. It is making the point that people that have gotten covid get reinfected at lower rates than people who are vaccinated. The conclusion being that if you have gotten covid already there is no need currently to get vaccinated.

The choice for you espola is to work on reading comprehension. Once you do that you could try having a position on something instead of being an idiot troll.
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"Conclusion"?
 
dad4 said:
Yes. I am opposed to the combination of open schools and weakening interventions.

Where does it say I think we should close schools? I am saying that, in order to offset the effect of opening schools, we need to do more with masks, vaccinations, and moving outside.

Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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BTW I told you masks would never be enough for you and your ilk. We aren't even very much into this wave and you are already here. Anyone want to guess where he's at when we hit peak?

While I freely concede it might not continue, so far zero impact for the lifting of restrictions in the UK. The fact that the peak coincided with the removal of restrictions is once and for all a good test case for the impact of moderate restrictions.
 
Grace T. said:
BTW I told you masks would never be enough for you and your ilk. We aren't even very much into this wave and you are already here. Anyone want to guess where he's at when we hit peak?

While I freely concede it might not continue, so far zero impact for the lifting of restrictions in the UK. The fact that the peak coincided with the removal of restrictions is once and for all a good test case for the impact of moderate restrictions.
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This is one of those cases where you need twice as many words (unless you are just talking to yourself).
 
espola said:
Looks like a good reason for everybody to wear masks.
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a. we were told Asia had such wonderful results because they wore masks.
b. The masks by look at any of the curves aren't working so great against the delta. Even if we assume arguendo the masks did something the first time around, they ain't working so great now.
c. If vaccinated and unvaccinated have similar viral loads, it's not like masking the vaccinated is going to protect others any more than masking the unvaccinated.
d. In the end this is just the admin bowing to its freaked out COVID base and giving them something to feel better about. It will do nothing to change things, particularly in the light of the transmissibility of the Delta.
e. Deaths and serious illness are still being controlled by the vaccine. Time to get back to normal.
 
Grace T. said:
a. we were told Asia had such wonderful results because they wore masks.
b. The masks by look at any of the curves aren't working so great against the delta. Even if we assume arguendo the masks did something the first time around, they ain't working so great now.
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So, masks were enough in June 2020, but are not enough now?

It's almost as though the current numbers are being driven by a new disease that is 2-3 times as transmissible as the original covid-19.

Check the news. There might be an article on it.
 
dad4 said:
So, masks were enough in June 2020, but are not enough now?

It's almost as though the current numbers are being driven by a new disease that is 2-3 times as transmissible as the original covid-19.

Check the news. There might be an article on it.
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OK ok ok ok ok ok ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give up and surrender for God's sake. I asked Jesus to hurry up and intervene but it looks like I just have to cave in and give up my rights to privacy. Although it's not approved by the FDA and it's causing some people to die. That' according to some news outlets outside of the USA and some on SM platforms. I will take the jab so I can be just like you Dad and Husker Poop and Uncle Espola. I don't like how some of my old pals are treating me Dad and their scaring me with idle threats. Plus, I will wear mask as well. I just cant handle it anymore. I never thought in my wildest dreams that people who get caught cheating would stoop this low. It's much deeper and evil.
 
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dad4 said:
So, masks were enough in June 2020, but are not enough now?

It's almost as though the current numbers are being driven by a new disease that is 2-3 times as transmissible as the original covid-19.

Check the news. There might be an article on it.
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and if so masks, particularly the cloth ones, are even more useless than they were then
 
Grace T. said:
and if so masks, particularly the cloth ones, are even more useless than they were then
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Nope. Masks, and other NPI, cause the same percentage reduction as ever.

The difference is that different variants have different R0: 30% of 3 is less than 1, but 30% of 7 is greater than 1.

Therefore, a 70% reduction in transmission kills vanilla covid, but allows exponential growth of Delta.
 
dad4 said:
Nope. Masks, and other NPI, cause the same percentage reduction as ever.

The difference is that different variants have different R0: 30% of 3 is less than 1, but 30% of 7 is greater than 1.

Therefore, a 70% reduction in transmission kills vanilla covid, but allows exponential growth of Delta.
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“Kills”…that’s funny

Again why are we doing this if death and serious illness is on the floor? And look at Asia…if your point was masks “killed” (again too funny) in Asia look how your masks are working now.

And math boy: 30% of 7 > 30% of 3 plus you’ve committed the fallacy that the percentages are static…if the viral loads are greater the percentages won’t be static…hence Asia assuming arguendo masks even did anything the first time around.
 
Grace T. said:
“Kills”…that’s funny

Again why are we doing this if death and serious illness is on the floor? And look at Asia…if your point was masks “killed” (again too funny) in Asia look how your masks are working now.

And math boy: 30% of 7 > 30% of 3 plus you’ve committed the fallacy that the percentages are static…if the viral loads are greater the percentages won’t be static…hence Asia assuming arguendo masks even did anything the first time around.
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Math Boy is also Mask Boy....lol. I'm getting my Jabs Grace. What is the safest of all of the Jabs? This dad guy must like to hide his face for some reason. I have some pals in the know and unfortunately, some folks what everyone in mask again so they can do this and that and more of that. However, I heard that the ___________________ is going to handle this and all of that and it wont last that long.
 
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