Vaccine

watfly said:
I personally think pangolins are being used as a scapegoat. I mean they're a convenient and credible choice. They look like giant armored rats. If the media blamed it on panda cubs, c'mon now, how many people are going to believe that? Now one is going to argue with bats and pangolins. Just saying.
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Awww come on. google up some baby pangolin pictures. They're cute, adorable even. Bats, that an easy one. Ticks, mosquitoes, rats, mice other vermin. Those would be a much easier sell than pangolins. My personal choice for an intermediate host would be badgers.
 
Governor Ron DeSantis ...

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose yours, a recovery is when Dr. Fauci loses his.”
 
Grace T. said:
is just orders of magnitude off right now.
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That's very quantitative. 100-fold, 1000-fold, what? Can I see the math please? It doesn't really matter. I just find it interesting how you always end up assigning a definitive statement to things that are inheritantly indeterminate or not fundamentally knowable or calculatable with existing information. We all do this to operate in an uncertain world. Going with your gut, here's my best guess, that's all well and good. But not, well it might be this but then again this fuzzy thing plus this fuzzy thing and this other fuzzy thing assessed in the context of other fuzzy things add up to orders of magnitude.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
That's very quantitative. 100-fold, 1000-fold, what? Can I see the math please? It doesn't really matter. I just find it interesting how you always end up assigning a definitive statement to things that are inheritantly indeterminate or not fundamentally knowable or calculatable with existing information. We all do this to operate in an uncertain world. Going with your gut, here's my best guess, that's all well and good. But not, well it might be this but then again this fuzzy thing plus this fuzzy thing and this other fuzzy thing assessed in the context of other fuzzy things add up to orders of magnitude.
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i couldn't tell you the exact orders of magnitude. Do the exact numbers really even matter this point? I can only tell you that given the evidence in front of us at the current time, one scenario is possible but would require a lot of variable to line up to make happen and is therefore highly unlikely at this point, and the other is not only possible but has a lot of evidence stacked up at this point. You have a little of one thing, a lot of the other.

It probably comes, BTW, from our respective training. You science types are taught to break it down into numbers...the numbers are all that matters. We lawyer types are taught to assess possible/not possible and which is likelier in our evaluation of evidence. The first year of law school is taught mostly to think critically and to identify problems. The second (where most people take evidence) is how to assess those problems (the third is mostly a waste by way of training but hey the law school has to make money). It's why you probably are advised against hiring a lawyer for a business role....they'll tell you all the problems with an idea instead of how to go forward.
 
Grace T. said:
Similarly if the Rs had nominated someone less polarizing than Trump in 2020 those suburban moderates wouldn't have been scared away. We saw that in the 2020 downballot gains from Rs. Same here in California (Newsom would still more than likely have won but having Elder be the alternative just made it easy). Big dilemma for them in 2024 will be how to keep Trump from running....he is getting up there in years and 3 years is a long time so maybe his health doesn't hold up is the best I can think of right now.
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The GOP key is to be trumpy, but not too trumpy.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The GOP key is to be trumpy, but not too trumpy.
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There is some truth to that. However, right now the Left's fixation with Trump is a bigger problem for Democrats than the Right's enthusiasm for Trump is a problem for Republicans. This could change as we get closer to 2024, but I hope not.
 
MARsSPEED said:
Absolutely heart breaking. Yet we want to mandate this vaccine for even younger children. I really wonder what the death count is for death by vaccine as compared to death by covid in children…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455743667927502853
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Tens Of Thousands Of Black Women Vanish Each Year. This Website Tells Their Stories

Erika Marie Rivers created the Our Black Girls website to shine a light on Black girls and women who have gone missing or were murdered, a demographic that gets disproportionately less media coverage.
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Grace T. said:
Similarly if the Rs had nominated someone less polarizing than Trump in 2020 those suburban moderates wouldn't have been scared away. We saw that in the 2020 downballot gains from Rs. Same here in California (Newsom would still more than likely have won but having Elder be the alternative just made it easy). Big dilemma for them in 2024 will be how to keep Trump from running....he is getting up there in years and 3 years is a long time so maybe his health doesn't hold up is the best I can think of right now.
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So personality over policy? Says way more about those who voted this way than the candidate.
 
watfly said:
There is some truth to that. However, right now the Left's fixation with Trump is a bigger problem for Democrats than the Right's enthusiasm for Trump is a problem for Republicans. This could change as we get closer to 2024, but I hope not.
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Wat Fly the fence sitter, you were so wrong about t. I understand why, i truly do. This Lion of a man was taking on a serious foe bro. Way back before 2016 to. Look who is getting the last laugh? Don;t pick a side dude, just go with, "We The People."
 
pssstt......here's a secret.....some people said the same thing when the old folks got vaccine eligible....goal post got moved (again) so what makes you think this is going to calm the hysterical 1/3

www.theatlantic.com

It’s Time to Contemplate the End of the Crisis

Immunity is rising, and the approval of shots for young children is one of the last thresholds before a return to greater normalcy.
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