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espola said:
If you dare to look back at what was actually said in the discussions forming the Constitution, the 2 Senators per state idea was put in to keep the lower population states (mostly in the south) from being overruled by the higher population states (mostly in the north). The southern states also wanted to count their slaves toward the population census that determined the number of representatives in the House; thus the 3/5 compromise. Otherwise, the southern states weren't going to sign up.
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You've got a fish on using race bait, must be a @MacCarp, well done Mary.
 
dad4 said:
One big happy Native American family who would never think of something as awful as slavery? Hardly.

The Cherokee? They owned slaves. Apache? Owned slaves, and conducted their own slave raids to get more.

Or look at the satellite states of the Aztec or Cahotia. Tribal leaders didn't just offer their people up for slavery. Tribal leaders offered them up to be sacrificed.

People are just people. Same faults everywhere. It's up to us to rise above it.
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dad4 said:
One big happy Native American family who would never think of something as awful as slavery? Hardly.

The Cherokee? They owned slaves. Apache? Owned slaves, and conducted their own slave raids to get more.

Or look at the satellite states of the Aztec or Cahotia. Tribal leaders didn't just offer their people up for slavery. Tribal leaders offered them up to be sacrificed.

People are just people. Same faults everywhere. It's up to us to rise above it.
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So did African Americans for a while until the south started requiring freed men to leave the south for fear of sparking a rebellion (it’s a central plot point of “roots”)

so who then occupies the most aggrieved group in the grievance hierarchy? I had assumed it was native Americans because they were partially genocided (and African Americans participated) but you just made the case it’s African Americans because of slavery. I’m so confused now.
 
espola said:
What did I get wrong?
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You hit the nail on the head for the 3/5 compromise but New Jersey Delaware rhode island Connecticut and New Hampshire all had lower electoral counts than the Carolinas Virginia or Maryland. The issue was New York Pennsylvania Maryland Virginia the Carolinas and Georgia all claimed the land from the sea to the Mississippi. The other states were landlocked away from such claims (masachusetts had Maine). The northwest ordinance and the admission of Kentucky and tennesse resolved such issue.
 
This thread sure took a left turn. Alphabet boys, conservatives in the state department. CRT, unicorns in flight.

espola said:
I have been for years generally non-partisan, but the extremes of t's behavior made me a Democrat for a day.
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Fair reply.

I'm curious as to what specific behvior pushed you away and what specific behaviour from the democrats drew you in. Both parties are severely tainted. Why democrat for a day, why not democrat always.
 
Grace T. said:
You hit the nail on the head for the 3/5 compromise but New Jersey Delaware rhode island Connecticut and New Hampshire all had lower electoral counts than the Carolinas Virginia or Maryland. The issue was New York Pennsylvania Maryland Virginia the Carolinas and Georgia all claimed the land from the sea to the Mississippi. The other states were landlocked away from such claims (masachusetts had Maine). The northwest ordinance and the admission of Kentucky and tennesse resolved such issue.
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That's an interesting way to look at it. The Northwest Ordinance (one of the few lasting actions by Confederation) allowed the creation of new States and also banned slavery in those states. Perhaps that banning alerted the southern states to what could happen in Congress.

And your history lesson forgot the Massachusetts claim based on its original sea-to-sea charter (ceded in 1784), and the Connecticut claim to a strip of land formed by running the Connecticut boundaries due west to the Mississippi. Connecticut ceded most of their claim in 1n 1786, but held onto and administered the Western Reserve in Northeast Ohio until 1800. I also don't see how the admission of Kentucky and Tennessee in 1792 and 1796 (after the admission of Vermont in 1791) could have had any effect on the actions of 1787.
 
what-happened said:
This thread sure took a left turn. Alphabet boys, conservatives in the state department. CRT, unicorns in flight.


Fair reply.

I'm curious as to what specific behvior pushed you away and what specific behaviour from the democrats drew you in. Both parties are severely tainted. Why democrat for a day, why not democrat always.
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I agree that both parties are tainted. I've been saying that for years.

Democrat on election day, because of t, as I already stated.
 
...imagine going from being forced to sit in the back of the bus, to forcing those who don't look like you off the bus...who had the "power"?

...congrats @MacDre , this is what "anti-racism" racism looks like.

 
MacDre said:
Does white privilege exist? Here’s a dedication from your pal:
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Your cultural ambassador is a convicted sexual assailant who got himself killed in a gangsta rap drug war?

You must be trying to win some prize for most predictable stereotype reinforcement.
 
dad4 said:
Your cultural ambassador is a convicted sexual assailant who got himself killed in a gangsta rap drug war?

You must be trying to win some prize for most predictable stereotype reinforcement.
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Or maybe you keep taking the bait and proving my point. Thanks Pal.
 
espola said:
That's an interesting way to look at it. The Northwest Ordinance (one of the few lasting actions by Confederation) allowed the creation of new States and also banned slavery in those states. Perhaps that banning alerted the southern states to what could happen in Congress.

And your history lesson forgot the Massachusetts claim based on its original sea-to-sea charter (ceded in 1784), and the Connecticut claim to a strip of land formed by running the Connecticut boundaries due west to the Mississippi. Connecticut ceded most of their claim in 1n 1786, but held onto and administered the Western Reserve in Northeast Ohio until 1800. I also don't see how the admission of Kentucky and Tennessee in 1792 and 1796 (after the admission of Vermont in 1791) could have had any effect on the actions of 1787.
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Fair but the practical reality for both Massachusetts and Connecticut is they were physically blocked off from their claims by ny which is why I didn’t put them on the list.
 
MacDre said:
Or maybe you keep taking the bait and proving my point. Thanks Pal.
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Glad to help. As long as it's negative stereotype day....

After reviewing my old Notorious LPs, maybe I'll head over to the annual Al Capone spaghetti night fundraiser at the Italian Cultural Center. Then send a couple quid to the real IRA, down some pints at Finnegan's, get in a fight and take my customary ride home in the Paddy wagon.

Apologies to anyone I forgot to offend there. I didn't mean to leave you out.
 
More mask insanity!

Government has created ranks of these psychos throughout the country, and they're saying it's parents who are the domestic terrorists. Imagine what is going undiscovered and unreported.

From this bullshit to CRT the time has come to take back direct control of schools.

NOTE: @espola (AKA: nutless wonder) save your "What is CRT" question for your circle jerk teammates.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451870350019596293
 
dad4 said:
Glad to help. As long as it's negative stereotype day....

After reviewing my old Notorious LPs, maybe I'll head over to the annual Al Capone spaghetti night fundraiser at the Italian Cultural Center. Then send a couple quid to the real IRA, down some pints at Finnegan's, get in a fight and take my customary ride home in the Paddy wagon.

Apologies to anyone I forgot to offend there. I didn't mean to leave you out.
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You forgot to invite @Grace T. over for popcorn and to watch Chappelle's latest Netflix gig "The Closer" [wink] Love you GT!
 
Grace T. said:
Fair but the practical reality for both Massachusetts and Connecticut is they were physically blocked off from their claims by ny which is why I didn’t put them on the list.
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Massachusetts enforced its claim in Colonial time strongly enough to establish its western border with New York to be roughly 20 miles east of the Hudson River when New York was claiming the boundary was the Connecticut River, based on the claims of the former Dutch province of New Netherlands.

Connecticut, as I already pointed out, maintained a presence in northeastern Ohio until 1800, despite the land separation.
 
Wow. Just got back from the market. Didn’t get a 1/3 of my list and bugged out at the prices. But there’s a lot missing from the shelves most notably there’s no frozen pumpkin pie and generally frozen pies were running low. They have 30 days to fix that or people are going to go bonkers on the ds. If must have pumpkin pie for thanksgiving you’ll want to think about saving a Halloween pumpkin. One guy was loading up on planks of water…don’t know if that’s a thing again. A lot of ice cream and milk also empty. No produce or alcohol issues (don’t know about beer). Looks like we might be going full Soviet Union.
 
Grace T. said:
Wow. Just got back from the market. Didn’t get a 1/3 of my list and bugged out at the prices. But there’s a lot missing from the shelves most notably there’s no frozen pumpkin pie and generally frozen pies were running low. They have 30 days to fix that or people are going to go bonkers on the ds. If must have pumpkin pie for thanksgiving you’ll want to think about saving a Halloween pumpkin. One guy was loading up on planks of water…don’t know if that’s a thing again. A lot of ice cream and milk also empty. No produce or alcohol issues (don’t know about beer). Looks like we might be going full Soviet Union.
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It was packed at Stater Bros. Me and my wife were blown away with how crowded it was today. 7 out of 10 had mask on and fear everywhere. I saw panic and my wife saw sadnness and hopelessness on so many faces. I told my wife more about you and we both appreciate your openness and honesty Grace T. Were all going to be amazed and happy with how all this ends for those on the side of truth.
 
whatithink said:
Wasn't it Rand Paul who said that the GOP would be screwed for Pres without the electoral college? A system that allows a minority to select the Pres, and the minority to control the Senate, which in turn allows the minority to control the judiciary is problematic IMO.
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Sorry getting rid of the Electoral College (which is not a perfect system) is a bridge too far for me, and its hardly a minority that are deciding. I don't think anyone considers 70+ million citizens and 45+ states a minority. You disenfranchise millions when you allow the coasts, specifically LA and NYC to determine our president. Could you imagine the corruption potential putting that power in a few cities and the amount of graft that would be used to influence those communities. You're a reasonable person but you've clearly not thought this one through. It's a very slippery slope when you start to change the constitution, particularly when its done just to suit your political affiliation.
 
watfly said:
Sorry getting rid of the Electoral College (which is not a perfect system) is a bridge too far for me, and its hardly a minority that are deciding. I don't think anyone considers 70+ million citizens and 45+ states a minority. You disenfranchise millions when you allow the coasts, specifically LA and NYC to determine our president. Could you imagine the corruption potential putting that power in a few cities and the amount of graft that would be used to influence those communities. You're a reasonable person but you've clearly not thought this one through. It's a very slippery slope when you start to change the constitution, particularly when its done just to suit your political affiliation.
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They cheated because they couldnt win with the rules for the President. They will do whatever it takes to win wat fly. Its too late. Jack & Mark silenced a sitting President dude and the United States Military he commands. Dr. Fruad and Bill got you and millions like you to inject baby magnets in your blood. Please stop bro, I care about you. You need to wtf up too. No more Mr. NICEGUY playing in the middle.
 
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