Vaccine

Grace T. said:
It does raise the same question as the people are children argument and democracy.
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One of the fundamental problems with democracy (and no there isn't a better system) is that people don't get elected by promising the status quo or a reduction of gov.

People get elected by promising to fix something, which usually means offering "free" stuff.

As such there is always pressure to increase spending despite the fact we cannot afford it, it will increase taxes, etc.

On one hand you will find both dems and repubs agreeing that we cannot fund our current social programs, and in the very next breath they are advocating new social programs.
 
Grace T. said:
If so, there's a lot of mental illness out there. The guy even went so far as to threaten me with a taser which he actually set off as a threat (I wasn't worried....I am tall for a gal and a 3rd degree black belt in jujitsu and a 1st brown in tae kwon and am very good about reading people)...guy's wife was nice and diffused the situation.

It does raise the same question as the people are children argument and democracy. If people are children and mental illness (especially post pandemic) is so wide spread can we really have a functioning democracy? The problem with not trusting people to govern themselves is that everyone thinks they are right, and that's just a prescription for violence....ultimately within reason we have to trust people to govern themselves and live their lives.
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And here's the other thing I don't get....why do busy bodies interfere with things like masking, vaccination, parties residences, dogs, how people parent, but then when someone is getting rapped on a subway in New York City or getting mugged on a subway platform, they do nothing? When virtue and the defense of others actually requires folks to act, they don't do anything? Don't get it....
 
Grace T. said:
The issue then is you get a lot of me tooism from kids who aren’t as exceptional and parents who want them to succeed.
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The me-too problem dies a quick death if you hand the kid a piece of chalk and ask them to work medium hard problems while teach/parent stay silent. Nothing like watching the kid flail to deflate a parental ego.

Of course, you need to be willing to bump them up if junior turns out to know their stuff.
 
dad4 said:
The me-too problem dies a quick death if you hand the kid a piece of chalk and ask them to work medium hard problems while teach/parent stay silent. Nothing like watching the kid flail to deflate a parental ego.

Of course, you need to be willing to bump them up if junior turns out to know their stuff.
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In private schools, the answer to that is they'll send the kid to CLC or Kummon and then come back the following semester or after the summer and have them retake the test. We are, after all, on a soccer forum so we've all seen what some parents will do to push their kids to succeed. In elementary school, for example (talking 2nd 3rd grade here) my younger had 2 classmates, one whose parents dropped him off at kummon for 4 hours of extra math after school and the other who had the van pick them up and take them to CLC. And that's in an upper middle class school....kiddos middle school has some very wealthy parents and some of the kids in his honors math class have private tutors every day. The answer for these parents is "little johnny is falling behind"...let's send him to tutoring. The shenaningans and pressure behind the ISEE testing is also getting pretty outrageous....the ISEE test prep is where the SATs were a few years ago...I'm just getting to the age where I need to start thinking about SAT test prep and am shuddering to think what that's like.
 
Grace T. said:
when kiddo was 5 he was in a karate class and acting up and crying. I went into the class and with the teachers permission removed him…he started to kick and fuss so I took him outside to calm down. A parent follows me out and starts lecturing me about parenting

today was in the park and doggo was acting up. Some guy comes up and starts yelling at me that I have to respect my dog and not correct him. If dog want to lie down in the middle of the walk who am I to tell dog he must get up and walk.

seriously what’s up with all the busy bodies…it’s made for the perfect clash in the pandemic empowering these people who think they can tell other people how they should live.
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It's this whole mentality that "I know what's better with you." Its an outgrowth of the "nanny state" mentality that is being encouraged by many politicians. It's taken away the focus from individual accountability and instead follows the "it takes a village" narrative. You wouldn't need a village if you just took care of your own matters and children. The pandemic has magnified this with the misguided mentality that it's primarily your responsibility to protect my health. And now its children's responsibility to protect adults and not vice versa. It will only become worse as more people look towards the government to provide for their income, health and welfare.

There are some simple concepts that I grew up with that appear to be no longer applicable:

"Mind your own business", or as my Mom used to say "Mind your own beeswax"
"Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
"Treat others as you would want to be treated"
"Women and children first"
 
Desert Hound said:
One of the fundamental problems with democracy (and no there isn't a better system) is that people don't get elected by promising the status quo or a reduction of gov.

People get elected by promising to fix something, which usually means offering "free" stuff.

As such there is always pressure to increase spending despite the fact we cannot afford it, it will increase taxes, etc.

On one hand you will find both dems and repubs agreeing that we cannot fund our current social programs, and in the very next breath they are advocating new social programs.
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I think this is definitely true of the financial components (it's also one of the few things Congress can still do). It doesn't explain though the social rule making (whether pandemic response, racial education in the class room, the Covington kid, or issues like LGBTQ and the Chappelle special).
 
Grace T. said:
In private schools, the answer to that is they'll send the kid to CLC or Kummon and then come back the following semester or after the summer and have them retake the test. We are, after all, on a soccer forum so we've all seen what some parents will do to push their kids to succeed. In elementary school, for example (talking 2nd 3rd grade here) my younger had 2 classmates, one whose parents dropped him off at kummon for 4 hours of extra math after school and the other who had the van pick them up and take them to CLC. And that's in an upper middle class school....kiddos middle school has some very wealthy parents and some of the kids in his honors math class have private tutors every day. The answer for these parents is "little johnny is falling behind"...let's send him to tutoring. The shenaningans and pressure behind the ISEE testing is also getting pretty outrageous....the ISEE test prep is where the SATs were a few years ago...I'm just getting to the age where I need to start thinking about SAT test prep and am shuddering to think what that's like.
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There is also this strange phenomenon going on in public schools to eliminate programs for the high achievers. You see DeBlasio's plan to get rid of the gifted and talented program. At my daughter's high school, the new principal (who dresses like a bag lady that just rolled out of bed) tried to eliminate Junior Honor Guard and CSF ("California Scholarship Federation") with the claim it took too much teacher effort. Apparently, if she can't put any effort in getting dressed in the morning other than sweats and a hoody it must be really overwhelming to support a CSF program for students that put a ton of effort into their school work. Fortunately, the parents came unglued with the potential elimination of those programs and they were reinstated. The left's mentality of parents shouldn't have a say in what their kids are taught has yet to reach our community.

Continuing my morning rant, I find a lot of HS teachers to be lazy, particularly the younger ones who are too busy bashing their students on social media to grade papers. I find it amazing that students are held to a much higher standard than teachers and administrators. It's another sign that we are living in upside down times.
 
Grace T. said:
And here's the other thing I don't get....why do busy bodies interfere with things like masking, vaccination, parties residences, dogs, how people parent, but then when someone is getting rapped on a subway in New York City or getting mugged on a subway platform, they do nothing? When virtue and the defense of others actually requires folks to act, they don't do anything? Don't get it....
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Because one is easy. For many it is easy to virtue signal or tell others what to do.

The other actually requires action. The vast majority of people are unwilling to do that.
 
Desert Hound said:
Because one is easy. For many it is easy to virtue signal or tell others what to do.

The other actually requires action. The vast majority of people are unwilling to do that.
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Guess you are right...well them I'm glad I stood up to dog guy....show these idiots that sometimes if you virtue signal you'll pull off more than you can chew. Even more humiliating for the guy that his wife and I were perfectly friendly and amicable.
 
watfly said:
There is also this strange phenomenon going on in public schools to eliminate programs for the high achievers.
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And it is spreading.

Hey we are not doing a good job with black kids, they are not doing well and not getting into the top programs. Solution? Eliminate the programs for high achievers in order to hide the fact some kids are doing better vs others.

Completely misguided approach.
 
What does it mean if your sars-cov-2 semi-quant total ab a, 01 result is 630 10 months after infection recovery? Beside positive for SARS-2 anti-bodies.
 
Did I miss the part about AP classes and whether they are sufficient to meet the needs of those that need to be academically challenged at a relatively higher level?
 
Desert Hound said:
And it is spreading.

Hey we are not doing a good job with black kids, they are not doing well and not getting into the top programs. Solution? Eliminate the programs for high achievers in order to hide the fact some kids are doing better vs others.

Completely misguided approach.
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Yes, let's lower the bar from everyone, "the Race to Mediocrity". Our public schools do a pretty good job with high achievers but definitely underserve kids that struggle. Now that's not necessarily the school's fault in all cases, but you would think our schools could walk and chew gum at the same time. I wouldn't mind seeing trade school options for high school kids where a traditional education might not be productive for them.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Did I miss the part about AP classes and whether they are sufficient to meet the needs of those that need to be academically challenged at a relatively higher level?
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Not at this scale. When you let them run, it is not uncommon for a 14 or 15 year old to finish both stats and BC calc. Then what? Kid can’t drive, but the school doesn’t have anyone who even knows Lin Alg or DE, let alone can teach it.

Watch a U16 MLS-Next game and an AYSO U16 game back to back some time. That same skill differential exists in academics, too.
 
dad4 said:
Not at this scale. When you let them run, it is not uncommon for a 14 or 15 year old to finish both stats and BC calc. Then what? Kid can’t drive, but the school doesn’t have anyone who even knows Lin Alg or DE, let alone can teach it.

Watch a U16 MLS-Next game and an AYSO U16 game back to back some time. That same skill differential exists in academics, too.
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As with soccer, though, you have the same issue: everyone thinks their kids should be playing MLS-Next (and there are some kids playing MLS-Next that shouldn't be). The nice thing about math in the public schools is that the tests don't lie....as you say with the chalk board, it will eventually show (but it doesn't stop the parents as in soccer with the non stop training from pushing their kids to private tutors, Kumon or CLC). The real question is can the 14 or 15 year old get there without outside parental intervention (some do, but it's a rarity...in my high school it would have been zero, in my kids elementary school 1 (I'm sure to he was autistic)....in my kids middle school honors class 1).
 
Desert Hound said:
And it is spreading.

Hey we are not doing a good job with black kids, they are not doing well and not getting into the top programs. Solution? Eliminate the programs for high achievers in order to hide the fact some kids are doing better vs others.

Completely misguided approach.
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