Vaccine

… is from page 267 of Richard W. Duesenberg’s insightful 1962 article “Individualism and Corporations” (available without charge on-line here) as it appears in Liberty Fund’s 1981 single-volume collection of the New Individualist Review:
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A society of men, free to choose individually, and therefore free to make as many successes or failures as there are choices freely made, is definitely greater than the controlled society, limited to the powers and finite qualities of its collective controlling mind.
 
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In an article published by New York Times reporter Apoorva Mandavilli on Wednesday, Times readers were told that “nearly 900,000 children have been hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began.”

A correction issued on Thursday notes that the correct number is 63,000 between August 2020 and October 2021, which means Mandavilli exaggerated the number of child hospitalizations by 837,000 cases. Approximately 500 American children have eventually died from the disease. The exaggeration was included in a report on the debate surrounding whether and how to vaccinate children.
 
Even older variants are not particularly dangerous for children. According to the CDC, of the 633,786 COVID-19 deaths since the pandemic began in February 2020, 470 were children under 18.

Any child’s death is tragic, but this number needs to be put into perspective. COVID-19 deaths among children last year are comparable to the number of children who die annually in automobile accidents (636 in 2018) and the estimated 480 deaths from flu among the same age group during the 2018–19 flu season. As Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, put it, “We don’t shut down schools in flu season.”

We also don’t shut down schools or keep kids home for the respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, another virus that most kids have had by the age of two—and that kills anywhere from 100 to 500 children under the age of five every year.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
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Meanwhile, courtesy of worldometers -dot- info, let's check back in with Florida. The drop in COVID deaths there has been extremely sudden and sharp, even though the general public has not modified its behavior at all. (I live here, so I know.)

The chart says it all:
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As a friend of mine puts it, thank goodness we can be sure the media will get right to the bottom of this!
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So I checked back in with FL as you asked. That 7 day moving average of 17 deaths per day that you thought was so great is now at 75 - because FL holds back deaths for the express purpose of duping dumbfucks like you. It turns out that the decrease is neither sudden nor sharp. Too bad your dumbfuck friend is as easily duped as you. The media has already gotten to the bottom of this, which is that FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths so that recent deaths are not reported for weeks, giving the false impression that it's doing well.
 

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watfly said:
100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.
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Hey Watfly, did Bruddah IZ claiming that only 17 people a day are dying of Covid in FL "tend to post facts", or did the evil left leaning liberals who pointed out why that is complete and utter bs and follow it up with actual facts constitute "facts"? Or are you just completely full of shit when you claim that the right wing clowns here post "facts"?
 

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So my kid got home last week from a Catalina overnight with school Everyone there was doubled vaxxed or had confirmed natural immunity, they wore masks indoors or on transport including at night while sleeping with open windows, everyone took a Covid test the day before they left and the day they got back.

Interesting they despite all those precautions had a small COVID outbreak (now the question is does anything sneak in around school despite the testing). Further interesting the kids that fell ill are all double vaxxed (none of the naturally immune so far have fallen ill as far as I know).
 
watfly said:
100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.
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Hey Watfly, did the right wing nut job Grace T. "tend to post facts" when she claimed that it was Gavin Newsom's fault that the City of Los Angeles can implement ordinances regulating Covid-19? And then when I pointed out the exact statute that said she was wrong, the "strict constructionist" babble nonsense about burning animals but still refused to provide any legal authority to support her position?
 

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Hey Watfly, did Bruddah IZ claiming that only 17 people a day are dying of Covid in FL "tend to post facts", or did the evil left leaning liberals who pointed out why that is complete and utter bs and follow it up with actual facts constitute "facts"? Or are you just completely full of shit when you claim that the right wing clowns here post "facts"?
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What part of "tend to" don't you understand?
 
watfly said:
100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.
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Does Crush "tend to post facts" when he claims that the Covid-19 vaccine is a war crime according to the Nuremburg Code?
 

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watfly said:
100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.
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Does Desert Hound "tend to post facts" when he cuts and pastes an anonymous anti-vax manifesto from which he repeatedly refuses to identify the source (which it turns out is from a conspiracy theory blog), but that we do know cites a horse paste "pathologist" who has been shot down by every reputable source out there? Are those facts?
 

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Grace T. said:
So my kid got home last week from a Catalina overnight with school Everyone there was doubled vaxxed or had confirmed natural immunity, they wore masks indoors or on transport including at night while sleeping with open windows, everyone took a Covid test the day before they left and the day they got back.

Interesting they despite all those precautions had a small COVID outbreak (now the question is does anything sneak in around school despite the testing). Further interesting the kids that fell ill are all double vaxxed (none of the naturally immune so far have fallen ill as far as I know).
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Did your kid have a blast? My son can't wait to go this weekend.

They made kids wear masks while sleeping? If they did that's insane. I'll have to check, but I don't think our kids have to be tested either before or after. It's significantly safer to be outdoors at Catalina then indoors for the most part of 7 hours at school, particularly with kids that are unvaccinated or previously uninfected.

We attended the USC game at the Coliseum on Saturday where masks and vaccinations, or negative test required. Not a big deal to show vax card, and everyone entered with a mask on, but once sitting down mask wearing was probably less than 5%.
 
watfly said:
Did your kid have a blast? My son can't wait to go this weekend.

They made kids wear masks while sleeping? If they did that's insane. I'll have to check, but I don't think our kids have to be tested either before or after. It's significantly safer to be outdoors at Catalina then indoors for the most part of 7 hours at school, particularly with kids that are unvaccinated or previously uninfected.

We attended the USC game at the Coliseum on Saturday where masks and vaccinations, or negative test required. Not a big deal to show vax card, and everyone entered with a mask on, but once sitting down mask wearing was probably less than 5%.
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Yes he loved it. Wouldn't have denied him the opportunity for the world.

Our school is totally overboard on the restrictions (remember when I wrote them down way back in September of last year everyone here thought it was insane....little did they know that would become a regular occurence in blue states) so the restrictions were school rather than facilities based and despite all that they STILL got some COVID cases.

Yeah the mask theater is getting really funny. The best one was going into the pediatrician's office for our first in person visit in over a year and a half and the receptionist has the mask down under her nose.
 
watfly said:
100%. Grace gives some good reasons. The left has this odd and apparently fear based mentality where its the children's responsibility to protect adults. Like I said before this is like not allowing kids on the Titanic for fear they might panic and flip the lifeboats and kill adults. If you think that school closures and mask and vaccine mandates are for the protection of children you need to take a deeper dive into the data.

I don't recall you calling out EOTL/GG on any of his inappropriate comments, so pot meet kettle. If you think his name calling, venom and blatant mischaracterizations are even remotely close to what the right leaning posters say here I question your observational skills. With maybe one exception, the right leaning posters tend to post facts for their arguments whereas the left leaning tend to post emotions and insults. Recall that EOTL has already been kicked off this forum once.

And as far as calling out others outside this board, how many on the left called the summer riots vs the right that called out the Jan 6 riot? You'll find that the right was far more critical of the 6th then the left of the summer riots. If you recall McConnell spoke out on the Senate floor and called out the rioters and Trump. Did Pelosi or anyone on the left do the same about the summer riots aka the "Summer of Love"?

I'm hardly the poster child for a male, white Trump righty (who I never voted for). I'm agnostic, pro-choice, socially liberal, small government minded and fiscal conservative, who try's to base his opinions on the evidence. My koolaid is more purple than red.
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Hey Watfly, when the "strict constructionist" claims that New Zealand's containment has failed -although fewer New Zealanders have contracted Covid in 18 months than Americans have died of it in a single day and, in fact, more Americans have died of Covid in one hour in a single hospital than total New Zealanders have died of Covid in total - is the right leaning anti-vaxxer/masker "tending to post facts"?
 

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Yeah the mask theater is getting really funny. The best one was going into the pediatrician's office for our first in person visit in over a year and a half and the receptionist has the mask down under her nose.
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Hey Watfly, does an anti-vaxxer/masker's anecdotal "evidence" against wearing a mask "tend to post facts"? But, hey, so long as you now approve of anecdotal evidence , below is a bunch of it from a number of Herman Cain Award winners who shared the strict constructionist's disapproval of masks. It's truly amazing how often the children of lions become orphans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/psfpjj
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/puomdo
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/ptu1ec
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/q4wigh
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/puazox
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...timask_mom_sombering_reality_when_39_year_old
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain..._so_many_before_him_freedomloving_maskhating/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...hecked_almost_all_the_boxes_candace_michelle/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...ce_wasnt_a_vax_sheep_and_he_didnt_like_masks/
 
watfly said:
I'd have to check with Espola, he is the forum "fact checker".
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So now you've come full circle. You started this nonsense by claiming that people like me and espola just post emotions and insults, and now you're ending it by making fun of espola for actually posting facts. Of course you are.

BTW, the real reason you and your buddies are so upset about me posting examples of dumbfucks who died due to their dumbfuckery is that you don't want to confront the truth. The truth is that it's a lot more fun when Grace T. and crush are making fun of people wearing masks if you can pretend people aren't dying because of it. It must be such as hoot making fun of masks and vaccines, and so empathetic to get upset about having to confront the fact that people are dying. Congrats on your contributions to making orphans.
 
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