Vaccine

Bruddah IZ said:
Agree. People think we are divided when mandates unite us.
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I see. If no mandates, then no division. Yet the starting point this AM was a failed public health response. Are we still at the wash cycle or up to the rinse cycle at this point? I'll agree with you on this. From strictly a political standpoint, in this context Sweden's approach can be consider successful in that the blame game for a big up front dry tinder wave can be much more easily attributed. Heads can (and have, if you follow their politcal ripples) roll. Perhaps then it is easier to move on, or to not let the pandemic simply be another facet of a broader set of things.
 
what-happened said:
Your statement isn't wrong. But you've picked a side. Local health professionals, from the aspect of policy implementation, have a responsibility to call a wrong when they see it. The northeast is a great example. Government cronyism and partisan posturing led to spread and people dying. No one spoke up. There is an advantage of watching others go first. With that said, people are incapable of not picking a side and making most things political. I will tell you most health care professionals that operate at the ground level would rather be left alone to do their job and not get caught up in politics.

Your statement about public disinformation is short sighted and part of the problem. You operate under the blanket of politics. Don't you remember current senior leadership swearing off of vaccines if the orangeman was behind the development and distribution of them? Do you think vaccine hesitancy would have been less if the parrot heads hadn't made it about politics.

What health policies that predated vaccine mandes were considered unconstitutional?
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You seem to have picked a side.
 
Narrow-minded "experts" have elevated a single risk to children in the minds of the public and will be shocked when children are harmed by other, more salient risks.—Jay Bhattachyra
 
To minimize hospital-acquired infections, hospitals should actively seek to hire staff with what is superior natural immunity from prior Covid disease and use them for their most vulnerable patients.
 
Nice to see the NFL running an ad that acknowledges the deadly reallocation of resources to COVID while critical pre-cancer screenings were treated as if Cancer was not the #2 cause of death in the U.S.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I see. If no mandates, then no division. Yet the starting point this AM was a failed public health response. Are we still at the wash cycle or up to the rinse cycle at this point? I'll agree with you on this. From strictly a political standpoint, in this context Sweden's approach can be consider successful in that the blame game for a big up front dry tinder wave can be much more easily attributed. Heads can (and have, if you follow their politcal ripples) roll. Perhaps then it is easier to move on, or to not let the pandemic simply be another facet of a broader set of things.
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Started with a failed public response?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
“We have understood natural immunity since at least the Athenian Plague in 430 BC.”
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the one that killed 25% of the Athenian population, we should rely on the response to that! So we rely on natural immunity for smallpox & typhus, ok then.

Was that the same reliance on natural immunity with the Bubonic plague too, 100M dead, only the fittest survive, in the 1300s?

Maybe you should have some original thoughts instead of parroting & plagiarizing things you've read.

I'll await your "witty" one-liner or laughing face "like". I won't hold my breadth for any substance though.
 
@Bruddah IZ and @Grace T. and @anyonelse who is reading along; Listen and read this song in your heart and go live & love life. The truth hurts only our ego. Let go of your ego ((I call my ego Karl)), forgive him for he no not what he does. After reconciliation, allow your Karl to come along to the new earth, where pride and ego is put aside. Just a blissful of Love beams from the Creator of Love, which is why we have Light and Shadow in the first place. They go together. It's time to take your game HIGHER! It's time for the truth to reveal the truth :)


 
whatithink said:
the one that killed 25% of the Athenian population, we should rely on the response to that! So we rely on natural immunity for smallpox & typhus, ok then.

Was that the same reliance on natural immunity with the Bubonic plague too, 100M dead, only the fittest survive, in the 1300s?

Maybe you should have some original thoughts instead of parroting & plagiarizing things you've read.

I'll await your "witty" one-liner or laughing face "like". I won't hold my breadth for any substance though.
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Lol! Substance and originality? You mean for the unoriginal, unsubstantive post above?
 
Halloween is a go but not Thanksgiving or Christmas. Let's see if spooky doo day is ok for all to celebrate with masks and all the monsters. Anyway, let's see what are pals over at CDC have to say about the holidays.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unveiled its latest guidance for safely celebrating the upcoming holiday season on Saturday.

The agency suggests, among other considerations, that families hold virtual holiday celebrations or have socially distanced celebrations outdoors with neighbors and friends. ((zoom holiday coming right up))

The CDC also recommended the idea of using a window fan to keep the air at an indoor party as fresh as possible. ((Is this a joke?))

"If celebrating indoors, bring in fresh air by opening windows and doors, if possible. You can use a window fan in one of the open windows to blow air out of the window. This will pull fresh air in through the other open windows," the CDC said. ((Seriously, is this some sort of joke?))

Mask-wearing indoors is still recommended for unvaccinated people, along with wearing masks outdoors in crowded settings. Fully vaccinated people are recommended to wear masks in areas with substantial COVID-19 transmission. ((??????))

The CDC is also encouraging people to hold off on holiday travel until they’re fully vaccinated, but if unvaccinated people have to travel—including children who so far aren’t eligible for the shot—the CDC has suggestions for safer travel like making short trips by car and taking flights with fewer stops or layovers. ((did dad4 take over the CDC?))
 
Another country starting to realize they went down the wrong path. Reality strikes again. The only things there were successful at were

- taking away freedoms
- killing the economy
- decimating biz and individual incomes

Some on the forum from up around the bay area would call that a success!!

New Zealand is ending its effort to keep Covid-19 out of the remote South Pacific country as the economic costs mount and after its latest lockdown failed to halt the spread of the virus.

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But its strategy has become increasingly untenable as the more contagious Delta variant of the virus has become endemic in other countries, which are increasingly reopening, including neighbor Australia, which plans to restart international travel in November. Former New Zealand Prime Minister John Key recently said the country had become a “smug hermit kingdom.”

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They still have a way to go before they end the madness. Note what they are going to "allow".

The first reopening step for Auckland, which is home to about 1.5 million people, will be effective Wednesday and allow two households to meet outdoors, up to a maximum of 10 people, and permit recreational activities such as going to the beach or hunting.

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New Zealand’s economy is likely to contract by 7.0% in the three months through September compared with the previous quarter, reflecting the impact of the Auckland lockdown, said Jarrod Kerr, chief economist at Kiwibank.

According to forecasts by New Zealand’s Treasury, government debt will more than double from pre-pandemic levels due to the costs of the lockdown strategy

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Industries such as tourism and hospitality have shriveled

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“I think it is finally a realization that the elimination strategy and the modeling that justified it must be abandoned in this country,”

www.wsj.com

New Zealand to End ‘Zero Covid-19’ Strategy

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says the government is aiming to “actively control the virus” as it prepares to ease restrictions.
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On a side soccer note, I owe @Desert Hound TWO COLD BEERS. His dd team won yesterday's big game and bet. I will honor my loss the next time I see you. Sorry to miss out on the game. Are you ok with a double or nothing next game in AZ?

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OMG, have all of you seen the Reddit thread? https://www.reddit.com/t/herman_cain/

I know, I mean knew, one of last week's "Herman Cain Award" winners. He literally got Covid attending an anti-mask anti-vax convention (this one: https://www.kcm.org/watch/event/2021-southwest-believers-convention-flashpoint-live-530-pm-ct-0), then spent over a month in the ICU until he expired. Maybe KCM will pay the family's bills instead of just dropping a few bucks into the Go Fund Me and promising to organize all the "prayer warriors" who clearly did not pray enough to save daddy. But I bet KCM is "sorry not sorry" that it is killing people, because it's hard to dupe people to send you money if you don't have some urgent conspiracy theory for them to believe. It is the very foundation of the prosperity gospel.
 
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