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MacDre said:
Verbose. You seem like a smart dude though. Could you clearly and CONCISELY provide some better solutions than kneeling to bring attention to police brutality against black men?
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I do tend to go on. Apologies. I honestly am not sure. I wish I knew. Sustained, large protests in many cities at the same time, over and over again. That has been pretty powerful over the last two weeks. With real leadership by people with credibility (which Sharpton does not have). LeBron does not have (but, hey, he makes a lot of money in China, so people shouldn't talk about what's going on there - sounds like an NFL owner, doesn't it?) Martin Luther King has a statue in Washington. Sharpton won't. I sure would have liked to see Barack and Michelle Obama on TV quite a bit more over the last two weeks, not blaming people for what has been or what is, not telling me that my life and success was somehow easy or was gifted to me by my whiteness (it wasn't), but inspiring people to be better, to see opportunity for themselves and others, to imagine the creativity and passion and opportunity in black Americans that can be unleashed for the betterment of all of us. More of the Merck CEO. More of leading black lawyers and doctors and engineers and astronauts and artists. Not calling white people racist, but instead sharing the real stories of black people who are not just killed by police but denied mortgages or healthcare. Stories of black schools and parents who are working three jobs to give their kids a better chance. But I expect you will rightly say that those things don't capture enough attention fast enough. People heard Kaepernick. But they weren't moved by him and thus nothing happened.

When I heard Obama speak as a senator at the Dem convention about us not being red states or blue states but the United States, I had such hopes that he would be a transformative figure who could bring people together across a host of issues and especially race. I believe that speech is what launched him and was as responsible as anything for his election. And I was deeply disappointed that he governed like a prime minister instead of a president. He is young. People love him. I would still love for him to dedicate the remainder of his public life to working to solve race issues in America. And I would love to someday take my grandkids to see his statue in Washington DC and tell them about how his election makes him a notable figure but his work on race relations in America made him a giant in American history right up there with the likes of Washington and Jefferson and MLK.
 
Dof3 said:
I don't disagree with your points on profiling or policing or imagery or power. What is the explanation for those in the black community who denigrate a black person for pursuing higher education or a job in law or medicine? That is not everyone, of course, but I understand that it happens more than I would have expected. Very good friend of mine is a black lawyer whose brother is a psychologist. Both grew up lower middle class and being accused in their neighborhood and within their family of turning their backs on their culture and wanting to be white. Neither did or wanted any such thing. The psychologist has devoted much of his professional life to counseling black men in prison. As an educated and experienced black man, what are your thoughts of how often that is the experience of kids in poor or lower middle class black communities who pursue education as a path to different life? And why?
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There are those in the black community that hate themselves and want to assimilate into white culture. I think they are picked on and constantly ridiculed. I have never in my life heard of someone equating education with acting white. I think your friend is the exception not the rule.
 
MacDre said:
What are you talking about? When did I imply that a black man arresting a black man was an uncle tom? I’m a black man that has a top secret security clearance and has worked for law enforcement. My brother currently works for LAPD, and my Aunt was one of the first black female police chiefs in the US. There are good cops. However, I’m also saying many traded in their white sheets for a badge, uniform, and gun. I’m also saying racial profiling and over policing of black neighborhoods is real. I’m also saying that due to systemic racism everywhere from school textbooks, to white images of beauty, access to wealth, education, and power many black people hate themselves. For example, have you seen before and after pictures of Michael Jackson or Sammy Sosa? Both of those guys hated being black so much that they tried to turn themselves white surgically! Most people don’t have the type of bread laying around like Mike and Sammy. So, joining a police force is a low budget way to assimilate and gain acceptance into a culture that hates black people. It’s a win-win situation because the racist cop gets to say he knows a black guy, it’s also a win for the uncle tom because it makes him feel good when he is accepted by the racist and they tell him he’s different from the lazy ghetto blacks that just want a handout.
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So then define what you mean by the term. Or stop using it. (It is pointlessly insulting anyway.)

Language is communication and you are failing to communicate.
 
Woobie06 said:
I know exactly what I am talking about. You’re measured and logical, but sometimes emotional in your responses. I do agree with you that the closer to the community Law Enforcement is the better for everyone. There needs to be respect and trust both ways for it to work. Just like any good relationship to be successful. The community needs to respect the Police and the Police need to respect the community. There needs to be accountability on both ends.

Regarding Officers living in the communities they serve, sounds great, not practical in all cases...The problem is there are many places where officers serve that are not safe, and would not be a good place for them to live, raise kids, etc. Families want to live specific places, spouse’s career, etc.

Like you, our family has a lot of active and retired law enforcement - Seattle, LA, and PHX. I’m sure you have gone on plenty of ride-alongs. Police are Police, I don’t know what a Community Police person is....Calling for defunding and/or abolishment of the Police is extremely short-sided,mid-guided, emotional, and dangerous. I would be happy to share data in LA regarding interactions, shootings, deaths, etc. Very few want to consume data to make their decision, instead it is “I think”, “I feel”, or what the news cycle is presenting on your channel of choice. The “Racist Cop” narrative is a fallacy. Bad people, are bad people regardless of race. Spend some time looking at the data...or is the data corrupt too?
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I like data. Lawrence Cohen was my mentor. My research also helped overturn three strikes legislation. Stop misrepresenting the data.
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MacDre said:
There are those in the black community that hate themselves and want to assimilate into white culture. I think they are picked on and constantly ridiculed. I have never in my life heard of someone equating education with acting white. I think your friend is the exception not the rule.
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What is "white culture"?
 
Dof3 said:
I do tend to go on. Apologies. I honestly am not sure. I wish I knew. Sustained, large protests in many cities at the same time, over and over again. That has been pretty powerful over the last two weeks. With real leadership by people with credibility (which Sharpton does not have). LeBron does not have (but, hey, he makes a lot of money in China, so people shouldn't talk about what's going on there - sounds like an NFL owner, doesn't it?) Martin Luther King has a statue in Washington. Sharpton won't. I sure would have liked to see Barack and Michelle Obama on TV quite a bit more over the last two weeks, not blaming people for what has been or what is, not telling me that my life and success was somehow easy or was gifted to me by my whiteness (it wasn't), but inspiring people to be better, to see opportunity for themselves and others, to imagine the creativity and passion and opportunity in black Americans that can be unleashed for the betterment of all of us. More of the Merck CEO. More of leading black lawyers and doctors and engineers and astronauts and artists. Not calling white people racist, but instead sharing the real stories of black people who are not just killed by police but denied mortgages or healthcare. Stories of black schools and parents who are working three jobs to give their kids a better chance. But I expect you will rightly say that those things don't capture enough attention fast enough. People heard Kaepernick. But they weren't moved by him and thus nothing happened.

When I heard Obama speak as a senator at the Dem convention about us not being red states or blue states but the United States, I had such hopes that he would be a transformative figure who could bring people together across a host of issues and especially race. I believe that speech is what launched him and was as responsible as anything for his election. And I was deeply disappointed that he governed like a prime minister instead of a president. He is young. People love him. I would still love for him to dedicate the remainder of his public life to working to solve race issues in America. And I would love to someday take my grandkids to see his statue in Washington DC and tell them about how his election makes him a notable figure but his work on race relations in America made him a giant in American history right up there with the likes of Washington and Jefferson and MLK.
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Black folks have marched, fought in the courts, served in the military etc. and yet as much as things change they remain the same. You seem like a very smart dude yet you can’t provide me with one viable solution. White folks don’t need black folks to tell them stories because it’s been 400 years. If white folks aren’t aware of the plight of blacks in America it’s because they don’t want to know.
 
MacDre said:
Black folks have marched, fought in the courts, served in the military etc. and yet as much as things change they remain the same. You seem like a very smart dude yet you can’t provide me with one viable solution. White folks don’t need black folks to tell them stories because it’s been 400 years. If white folks aren’t aware of the plight of blacks in America it’s because they don’t want to know.
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I didn't say I don't have ideas about a viable solution. I said I didn't have an idea about an alternative form of protest that would have drawn more immediate attention to police brutality. So on that basis I acknowledge that Kaepernick's idea was better than my no idea, but it still didn't work. Do you think the events of the last two weeks would have been different without Kaepernick? I don't.
 
dad4 said:
So then define what you mean by the term. Or stop using it. (It is pointlessly insulting anyway.)

Language is communication and you are failing to communicate.
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The term is meant to insult.
noun
OFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN
  1. a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.
 
Dof3 said:
Why does a black person have to hate themselves to prefer European culture to African culture?
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They don’t but assimilation is a different story. Variety is what makes this country so special. What if we could only eat fish & chips and didn’t have the option to go for Chinese food or a burrito?
 
MacDre said:
They don’t but assimilation is a different story. Variety is what makes this country so special. What if we could only eat fish & chips and didn’t have the option to go for Chinese food or a burrito?
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I agree, but I don't think it makes me hate my European culture to like burritos, even to the exclusion of pot roast and potatoes.
 
MacDre said:
They don’t but assimilation is a different story. Variety is what makes this country so special. What if we could only eat fish & chips and didn’t have the option to go for Chinese food or a burrito?
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What's wrong with assimilation? Just part of getting along with each other.

I like collard greens with fatback. Does that mean I hate my white skin? Maybe I just think it's tasty.
 
dad4 said:
What's wrong with assimilation? Just part of getting along with each other.

I like collard greens with fatback. Does that mean I hate my white skin? Maybe I just think it's tasty.
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Actually that’s southern food not black food. White folks eat like that in the south too. Now chitterlings is black food because black folk traditionally had to “eat low on the hog” or in other words black folks got the leftovers. But assuming arguendo I’m talking about a black person that refuses to eat fatback and collard greens because that’s what black folks do-despite the fact all of their white friends like fatback and collards. This assimilated black person will also insist the family add raisins to the potato salad and insist on having pumpkin instead of sweet potato pie during holiday gatherings.
 
I’m seriously trying to understand what your goal is...there are arguments against treatment, than criticism against people getting along, than wanting to keep cultures separate. It’s a ton of talk, I don’t recall a solution you offered up...if you did, I missed it. Are you just trolling or do you have real interest in a solution?
 
MacDre said:
Actually that’s southern food not black food. White folks eat like that in the south too. Now chitterlings is black food because black folk traditionally had to “eat low on the hog” or in other words black folks got the leftovers. But assuming arguendo I’m talking about a black person that refuses to eat fatback and collard greens because that’s what black folks do-despite the fact all of their white friends like fatback and collards. This assimilated black person will also insist the family add raisins to the potato salad and insist on having pumpkin instead of sweet potato pie during holiday gatherings.
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Yeesh. Maybe he just like raisins in his potato salad. Why make it a race issue?

I can’t stand potato salad. Do you read some kind of racial theory into that? Or can it be that I hate mayo?
 
Are any of you people soccer parents, or is this just an easy forum to display your racist apologist sentiments?. If the US men or women decide they want to kneel in solidarity of Black Lives Matter, police injustice or unicorns, that's their right and Freedom. The Carnival Barking Clown can rise from his bunker and pitch a fit, but the team will go on. He can threaten all he wants to defend team, but he won't. The Repugnantkkkans are losing the culture war, they will lose this little fake ass skirmish as well.
 
Dof3 said:
Maybe. But if his perspective was so transactional and mercenary as that, I am not sure how motivated he would have been to keep that particular flag off the ground while shot in the arms, legs, shoulders and face. Perhaps that particular flag meant something more to him than just a ticket to not being a slave as he likely would not have lost his ticket because the flag hit the ground after he was shot in the face. But, hey, I am a glass half-full kinda guy.
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I don't think fighting for your freedom, when you are literally a slave, has anything to do with transactional or mercenary, and I didn't suggest anything of the sort.

Had the North lost, the white northerners would have carried on under a different government, still free.

The blacks ... not so much so.

If you really think the flag meant
Dof3 said:
something more to him than just a ticket to not being a slave
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then OK - that's you. Me, I think freedom meant more but then I've never been a slave, so how could I understand.
 
Zen said:
Forget it. You keep diverting issues. Police brutality is totally different issue than black on black crime.
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Yes, it is, and you and Dre want to focus on 10% of the problem instead of 90% because you're incapable of being honest about what the problem is. Black on black murder and a black criminal's refusal to comply with police. So you go ahead and keep making heroes out of violent criminals that refuse to respect law enforcement enough to go to jail for the crimes they comment. You keep lying to yourself that black on black murders get solved even though I proved you wrong. Keep trying to make yourself feel good watching innocent people die because of bullshit, politically correct hypocrisy. They'll keep dying. The more you deny where the problem is, the more they'll die.
 
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