You know full well that the 50% is your personal extrapolation based on a comment that isn't reflected in the actual statistics
No doubt. So you would agree we have to increase funding for law enforcement, stop with the anti-cop rhetoric (while holding bad cops accountable) and replace the DA's that are giving no, or light sentences, to violent criminals, oftentimes repeat offenders? How are cops supposed to effectively enforce laws if they're not supported by DA's? Not to mention negatively impacting their motivation to perform their job.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like your are putting irresponsible, legal gun owners in the same bucket as criminals that use guns to commit violent crimes. Both are dangerous, but you can't even remotely compare the two.
The 50% is 43% + 6% from the article.
I have no problem with increasing funding for law enforcement, zero problem stopping the anti- cop rhetoric and zero tolerance for BS sentencing for serial or career criminals or especially egregious crimes. We're probably more or less aligned on this.
I laid out my thoughts earlier, basically that if you buy a gun, you are responsible for securing it. That should be part of the "price" of your right to have a gun.
I do not put gun owners (responsible or not) in the same bucket, nor have I compared them directly or indirectly.
I do like the Swedish model that you must own a gun safe. That and the amount of firearm training and education they make someone perform before purchasing a gun is something I'm ok with. Of course it's a helluva lot easier with the fraction of population they have compared to the U.S.The 50% is 43% + 6% from the article.
I have no problem with increasing funding for law enforcement, zero problem stopping the anti- cop rhetoric and zero tolerance for BS sentencing for serial or career criminals or especially egregious crimes. We're probably more or less aligned on this.
I laid out my thoughts earlier, basically that if you buy a gun, you are responsible for securing it. That should be part of the "price" of your right to have a gun.
I do not put gun owners (responsible or not) in the same bucket, nor have I compared them directly or indirectly.
The government has spent our money on a lot of wasteful things, maybe it would be worthwhile if it could provide free or heavily discounted, basic gun safes.I do like the Swedish model that you must own a gun safe. That and the amount of firearm training and education they make someone perform before purchasing a gun is something I'm ok with. Of course it's a helluva lot easier with the fraction of population they have compared to the U.S.
I like the Swiss model where every healthy adult male is enrolled in the armed forces long enough to learn how to use a weapon (and weed out those who should not have weapons) after which they keep a standardized weapon stored safely at home.I do like the Swedish model that you must own a gun safe. That and the amount of firearm training and education they make someone perform before purchasing a gun is something I'm ok with. Of course it's a helluva lot easier with the fraction of population they have compared to the U.S.
I like the Swiss model where every healthy adult male is enrolled in the armed forces long enough to learn how to use a weapon (and weed out those who should not have weapons) after which they keep a standardized weapon stored safely at home.
I like the Swiss model where every healthy adult male is enrolled in the armed forces long enough to learn how to use a weapon (and weed out those who should not have weapons) after which they keep a standardized weapon stored safely at home.
I went to bed last night after reading about all the safes for guns and I ran through a scenario when I needed my gun quickly but it was locked up in a safe place. I would put my gun(s) next to my waist and my other guns in a nice hiding place so when the Perp comes, I don't have to unluck the gun, just unload. For the record, I don't own guns. I use my mouth to shoot out my commands.The problem is coming up with a process that doesn't violate someone's right to arm themselves. I agree with your notion of mandated training, which probably isn't a realistic alternative any other way BUT the military because of the numbers, but we all know people that shouldn't own a gun. That said, my local shop has been sold out of popular models for nearly a year. The demand is incredible.
The problem with gun safes is you need the means to safely store a weapon(s), large enough or mounted so IT can't be taken, while maintaining quick access under duress. They make really cool safes within picture frames, tissue boxes, etc. but I don't imagine that kind of consumer is the one getting his Glock stolen during a burglary.
My dd has a friend whose mother is from Isreal. She served in the Air Force and she is one tough mama bear. Beautiful, very confident and very smart I might add. I think we should put all 16-17 year old's in one year of military academy (sorry soccer) ((proper training and education on why America is amazing)), to learn how to shoot a gun, how to talk to your elders and how to respect yourself first, how to love yourself first and how to respect others and how to love others. If you don't like yourself, you will hate others. If you don't respect yourself, you will be disrespectful to others. If you judge yourself to hell unless you say a prayer, then you will also judge others to hell.I believe Isreal does the same thing. Imagine some of the wayward youth, young adults, getting a couple years of discipline, responsibility, and accountability instilled in them…learn a skill…not saying it is the best or perfect way, but it is a way….and if you look at the crime rates per capita we outpace them by a long, long way, in a bad way. Not saying that service is the reason, it’s just interesting to look at.
I served in the Navy at a time when Boot Camp was accelerated to get fresh meat into the fleet. Part of that was restricting small arms training to a single day. I recall (it was a long time ago, so this may not be accurate) firing a single clip from a .22 in what looked like a re-purposed bowling alley and watching as the instructor fired a round from the old classic .45. In the current Navy Boot Camp, all trainees are given instruction in military weapons and the opportunity to qualify for rifle and handgun marksmanship award ribbons. In my day, the only people with those ribbons had at one time or another in their careers been assigned to a duty that required the use of the weapons, such as SEAL/UDT, Master-At-Arms, or guarding cash. I had a one-day qualification duty (CINBATT2) at Pt. Mugu where we fired a few rounds on the base firing range, but no records were kept other than our attendance.I believe Isreal does the same thing. Imagine some of the wayward youth, young adults, getting a couple years of discipline, responsibility, and accountability instilled in them…learn a skill…not saying it is the best or perfect way, but it is a way….and if you look at the crime rates per capita we outpace them by a long, long way, in a bad way. Not saying that service is the reason, it’s just interesting to look at.
There are 18M people in Israel and Switzerland. There are 18M people in the NYC metro area. National pride/patriotism goes along way in Israel and Switzerland. One prides itself on neutrality(and chocolate) and one prides itself on resiliency and tenacity.I believe Isreal does the same thing. Imagine some of the wayward youth, young adults, getting a couple years of discipline, responsibility, and accountability instilled in them…learn a skill…not saying it is the best or perfect way, but it is a way….and if you look at the crime rates per capita we outpace them by a long, long way, in a bad way. Not saying that service is the reason, it’s just interesting to look at.
Let's start sending the kids from NYC and LA to boot camp. They need a whole new teaching about why were here and why you were even born in the first place.There are 18M people in Israel and Switzerland. There are 18M people in the NYC metro area. National pride/patriotism goes along way in Israel and Switzerland. One prides itself on neutrality(and chocolate) and one prides itself on resiliency and tenacity.
While I don't discount their national pride, there is also the mandatory conscription in Israel (Men & Women) and Switzerland (Men) that may need to be taken into account ...There are 18M people in Israel and Switzerland. There are 18M people in the NYC metro area. National pride/patriotism goes along way in Israel and Switzerland. One prides itself on neutrality(and chocolate) and one prides itself on resiliency and tenacity.
Poppycock...Because that's apples and oranges. 1) there are laws on the books that require you to properly secure your weapons, 2) its very easy to secure weapons privately in your own home in a gun safe. It's difficult to secure a vehicle when its primarily used in public.
Only irresponsible people don't properly secure their guns. Like I said if it was properly secured and stolen you shouldn't be held liable, but I bet its rare that a properly secured gun is stolen.
This having been said, we need to start with better enforcement of laws against those that use guns in a crime, before we go after those that don't properly secure their guns.