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watfly said:
Pick one:

"Most of the firearms used by prisoners during the commission of their crimes were stolen." Survey of prisoners.
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New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people's homes and cars - Behind the Badge

Sadly, robberies, aggravated assaults, gang shootings, and a myriad of gun crimes are an every day occurrence in cities across the country. A day doesn’t go by when you can’t read, see, or hear about a gun-related crime on the news. Of course it begs the question, how do these crooks get guns...
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"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Study by the ATF

The clear takeaway is that criminals don't buy guns from a retail outlet. Bigger no shit. I couldn't care less where criminals obtain guns, enforce gun crimes whether it's illegal possession or if it was used to commit a crime, and if your stolen gun ends up in the hands of a criminal you should be prosecuted too.
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If the gun is stolen (a crime) then it's in the hands of a criminal...why stop there?
If your car is stolen and the car is involved in a crime or a crash, you should be prosecuted too...
 
Lion Eyes said:
If the gun is stolen (a crime) then it's in the hands of a criminal...why stop there?
If your car is stolen and the car is involved in a crime or a crash, you should be prosecuted too...
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Was the car parked in the garage? Keys laying around for easy steal for perp?
 
crush said:
Was the car parked in the garage? Keys laying around for easy steal for perp?
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That's liberal thinking. "Well, the car was unlocked and the keys were in the ignition so I took it. If they didn't want it stolen, they should have locked the doors." We are a nation of rules, laws and policies. If you don't agree with them, go ahead and break them because it's so unfair.

That's the type of person democrats target for votes.
 
The news is going to wake up the normies very soon. Listen up folks. It;s going to get real, real soon so let's not all panic. God is in control. I won't share the news I got because you won't believe me. Hold on to dear life is all I can say. Love you all :)

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Slobodan said:
That's liberal thinking. "Well, the car was unlocked and the keys were in the ignition so I took it. If they didn't want it stolen, they should have locked the doors." We are a nation of rules, laws and policies. If you don't agree with them, go ahead and break them because it's so unfair.

That's the type of person democrats target for votes.
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Want that Biden’s defense for the Classified Doc’s found in the trunk of his car.
 
Lion Eyes said:
If the gun is stolen (a crime) then it's in the hands of a criminal...why stop there?
If your car is stolen and the car is involved in a crime or a crash, you should be prosecuted too...
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Because that's apples and oranges. 1) there are laws on the books that require you to properly secure your weapons, 2) its very easy to secure weapons privately in your own home in a gun safe. It's difficult to secure a vehicle when its primarily used in public.

Only irresponsible people don't properly secure their guns. Like I said if it was properly secured and stolen you shouldn't be held liable, but I bet its rare that a properly secured gun is stolen.

This having been said, we need to start with better enforcement of laws against those that use guns in a crime, before we go after those that don't properly secure their guns.
 
watfly said:
Because that's apples and oranges. 1) there are laws on the books that require you to properly secure your weapons, 2) its very easy to secure weapons privately in your own home in a gun safe. It's difficult to secure a vehicle when its primarily used in public.

Only irresponsible people don't properly secure their guns. Like I said if it was properly secured and stolen you shouldn't be held liable, but I bet its rare that a properly secured gun is stolen.

This having been said, we need to start with better enforcement of laws against those that use guns in a crime, before we go after those that don't properly secure their guns.
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I agree with the sentiment, but I also think we should do both, not least as the stats seem to suggest that approx. 50% of guns used in crime are stolen, presumably from gun owners. So doing the latter would, longer term, hopefully reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals, or maybe not, but doing nothing to impact 50% of the supply will certainly not reduce the volume of guns in criminal hands, so ....

I'm all for enforcement of laws. We do seem to do that given we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and incarcerate, apparently, 25% of the worlds total prison population - and that's with incarceration rates in the US at a 20 year low!

Of course, we could be enforcing the wrong laws, or not enough ... idk.
 
We'd incarcerate less if we executed people that need it. Might serve as a deterrent for a few others if they knew going to prison meant more than a handball team reunion with their homies.
 
Slobodan said:
We'd incarcerate less if we executed people that need it. Might serve as a deterrent for a few others if they knew going to prison meant more than a handball team reunion with their homies.
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You have to be sentenced to death first, and there are less than 3000 people on death row out of 2,000,000+ inmates, so I'm going to say there's probably no correlation.
 
Slobodan said:
We'd incarcerate less if we executed people that need it. Might serve as a deterrent for a few others if they knew going to prison meant more than a handball team reunion with their homies.
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Some of the Perps are saying they identify as a woman now so they get to have sex in prison with the ladies. These guys are tricksters.
 
whatithink said:
You have to be sentenced to death first, and there are less than 3000 people on death row out of 2,000,000+ inmates, so I'm going to say there's probably no correlation.
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Why bother giving a death sentence when Gavin Newsom decided his ego is bigger than the will of the people?
 
Nice little victory for common sense. I wonder if they'll wake JoeTato Biden up to veto it. It's amazing how concerned liberals are about a woman's right until it doesn't involve terminating a pregnancy. Also nice to see WOKE libtards at ESPN got their dig in at republicans.

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House passes trans ban for girls', women's teams

The Republican-led House has passed a bill that would bar federally supported schools and colleges from allowing transgender athletes whose sex assigned at birth was male to compete on girls' or women's sports teams.
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watfly said:
This having been said, we need to start with better enforcement of laws against those that use guns in a crime, before we go after those that don't properly secure their guns.
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Those in power who don't fully enforce existing laws regarding gun violence invariably support more laws on guns. They tacitly blame the gun and not the individual. There is no other explanation.
 
whatithink said:
I agree with the sentiment, but I also think we should do both, not least as the stats seem to suggest that approx. 50% of guns used in crime are stolen, presumably from gun owners. So doing the latter would, longer term, hopefully reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals, or maybe not, but doing nothing to impact 50% of the supply will certainly not reduce the volume of guns in criminal hands, so ....

I'm all for enforcement of laws. We do seem to do that given we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and incarcerate, apparently, 25% of the worlds total prison population - and that's with incarceration rates in the US at a 20 year low!

Of course, we could be enforcing the wrong laws, or not enough ... idk.
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Stats don't suggest even remotely close to 50% unless you trust a survey of prisoners, or you believe "black market" equals "stolen". Guns are specifically made for the black market and/or provided by disreputable dealers. Also I'd bet that most stolen guns are stolen from other criminals, not legal gun owners.

The biggest flaw in your approach is that we're woefully short staffed in law enforcement, so prioritization of crimes is necessary. In an ideal world, yes enforce both, but its not even remotely feasible as we currently stand.

Incarceration rates are irrelevant to crime prosecution and nothing but a "red herring", unless we're incarcerating large numbers of innocent people. Unfortunately, this is the misguided ideology that, in part, is driving reckless DA's like Price, Gascon, Boudin in California and Bragg in NYC to name a few.
 
watfly said:
Stats don't suggest even remotely close to 50% unless you trust a survey of prisoners, or you believe "black market" equals "stolen". Guns are specifically made for the black market and/or provided by disreputable dealers. Also I'd bet that most stolen guns are stolen from other criminals, not legal gun owners.

The biggest flaw in your approach is that we're woefully short staffed in law enforcement, so prioritization of crimes is necessary. In an ideal world, yes enforce both, but its not even remotely feasible as we currently stand.

Incarceration rates are irrelevant to crime prosecution and nothing but a "red herring", unless we're incarcerating large numbers of innocent people. Unfortunately, this is the misguided ideology that, in part, is driving reckless DA's like Price, Gascon, Boudin in California and Bragg in NYC to name a few.
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The source for the black market guns was law enforcement. The article is linked previously. It agreed to the stats you quoted. You can disbelieve the law enforcement view of where black market guns come from I suppose, that's your call - but that's where the 50% I quoted comes from. I have no feelings on it or opinions relative to it.

My point is that we are making choices. Even your comment about short staff reflects choices. I'd say the choices we have made and continue to make are not improving anything and if anything, its getting worse. So we can make as many excuses as we want, but nothing will change without different choices.

So, I 100% agree we should prosecute based on the law. I also think we should proactively look to change the law to enable us to take large numbers of guns off our streets and out of criminal hands.

I'll also go out on a limb and say that there is a direct correlation between crime prosecution and incarceration rates, with the latter being the success measure of the former. "unless we're incarcerating large numbers of innocent people" is the red herring.
 
You know full well that the 50% is your personal extrapolation based on a comment that isn't reflected in the actual statistics

whatithink said:
My point is that we are making choices. Even your comment about short staff reflects choices. I'd say the choices we have made and continue to make are not improving anything and if anything, its getting worse. So we can make as many excuses as we want, but nothing will change without different choices.
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No doubt. So you would agree we have to increase funding for law enforcement, stop with the anti-cop rhetoric (while holding bad cops accountable) and replace the DA's that are giving no, or light sentences, to violent criminals, oftentimes repeat offenders? How are cops supposed to effectively enforce laws if they're not supported by DA's? Not to mention negatively impacting their motivation to perform their job.

whatithink said:
So, I 100% agree we should prosecute based on the law. I also think we should proactively look to change the law to enable us to take large numbers of guns off our streets and out of criminal hands.
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What laws would that be? You don't think that the 100+ laws in California are sufficient? I'm not opposed to a voluntary gun buy back. I think there are people that have too many guns, like I have too many fly fishing rods, but that's their choice and constitutional right.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like your are putting irresponsible, legal gun owners in the same bucket as criminals that use guns to commit violent crimes. Both are dangerous, but you can't even remotely compare the two.

I actually wouldn't be opposed to an "assault weapon" ban like in the 1990's (I couldn't care less either way), but I doubt it would have much impact. Unlike some gun rights activists I don't really see an AW ban (along the lines of the prior one not some Biden concoction) being the 1st step in taking away guns rights, history didn't prove it to be the case. Ironically, the 1994 AW Bill was blocked by southern and rural Democrats, and surprisingly moderate Republicans were the ones that ultimately got it passed. My how things have changed.

I just don't see how the issue is too few laws, it seems obvious the issue is enforcement.
 
watfly said:
You know full well that the 50% is your personal extrapolation based on a comment that isn't reflected in the actual statistics


No doubt. So you would agree we have to increase funding for law enforcement, stop with the anti-cop rhetoric (while holding bad cops accountable) and replace the DA's that are giving no, or light sentences, to violent criminals, oftentimes repeat offenders? How are cops supposed to effectively enforce laws if they're not supported by DA's? Not to mention negatively impacting their motivation to perform their job.


What laws would that be? You don't think that the 100+ laws in California are sufficient? I'm not opposed to a voluntary gun buy back. I think there are people that have too many guns, like I have too many fly fishing rods, but that's their choice and constitutional right.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like your are putting irresponsible, legal gun owners in the same bucket as criminals that use guns to commit violent crimes. Both are dangerous, but you can't even remotely compare the two.

I actually wouldn't be opposed to an "assault weapon" ban like in the 1990's (I couldn't care less either way), but I doubt it would have much impact. Unlike some gun rights activists I don't really see an AW ban (along the lines of the prior one not some Biden concoction) being the 1st step in taking away guns rights, history didn't prove it to be the case. Ironically, the 1994 AW Bill was blocked by southern and rural Democrats, and surprisingly moderate Republicans were the ones that ultimately got it passed. My how things have changed.

I just don't see how the issue is too few laws, it seems obvious the issue is enforcement.
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Marxist don't want people to own guns
 
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