Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.

[Slobodan]

We may be in desperate need of Tranny Reform laws.

Who is William Whitworth? Trans teen arrested over school shooting plot

The 19-year-old former student was found to be plotting several shootings in the same Colorado Springs' school district, District 20.

www.newsweek.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

The Economist weighs in on the treatment of gender-dysphoric children.

“On different sides of the Atlantic, medical experts have weighed the evidence for the treatment of gender-dysphoric children and teenagers, those who feel intense discomfort with their biological sex. This treatment is life-changing and can lead to infertility. Broadly speaking, the consensus in America is that medical intervention and gender affirmation are beneficial and should be more accessible. Across Europe several countries now believe that the evidence is lacking and such interventions should be used sparingly and need further study. The Europeans are right.”

What America has got wrong about gender medicine

Too many doctors have suspended their professional judgment

www.economist.com

 

[Grace T.]

Haven’t read the tome that is the new title ix refs but here’s where I think things end up based on the commentary I’ve read on Mtfs competing with the fs, assuming this holds:

-blue states are free to be as liberally inclusive as they want
-red states cannot enact blanket bans all of which have been wiped away
-you cannot ban from prepubescent/elementary school and intramural or coed activities
-post puberty bans can be enacted but they will be constrained by what the ncaa and other orgs (like fina) conclude about the science. If they conclude a balance can be struck by treatment you gotta stick with that. If they conclude it can’t be balanced you can ban
-but you must be able to supply an alternative for them to compete if they are under treatment and do not remain competitive with cis men. I take it that means possibly separate leagues for the individual sports but if insufficient mass for team sports then inclusion in the f leagues
-the regs measure not only participation, competitive advantage but also scholarship availability since gender identity would now be protected under title ix. They seem to acknowledge sports is about participation, competition and the money.

they seem to end up where I thought this might end up, with my main point of disagreement being some of these bans potentially extend into high school sports. No doubt will also be challenged in court.

 

[espola]

The Economist weighs in on the treatment of gender-dysphoric children.

“On different sides of the Atlantic, medical experts have weighed the evidence for the treatment of gender-dysphoric children and teenagers, those who feel intense discomfort with their biological sex. This treatment is life-changing and can lead to infertility. Broadly speaking, the consensus in America is that medical intervention and gender affirmation are beneficial and should be more accessible. Across Europe several countries now believe that the evidence is lacking and such interventions should be used sparingly and need further study. The Europeans are right.”

What America has got wrong about gender medicine

Too many doctors have suspended their professional judgment

www.economist.com

The bit of that article that I can see doesn't have an author's name on it. Whose opinion is it?

 

[espola]

Haven’t read the tome that is the new title ix refs but here’s where I think things end up based on the commentary I’ve read on Mtfs competing with the fs, assuming this holds:

-blue states are free to be as liberally inclusive as they want
-red states cannot enact blanket bans all of which have been wiped away
-you cannot ban from prepubescent/elementary school and intramural or coed activities
-post puberty bans can be enacted but they will be constrained by what the ncaa and other orgs (like fina) conclude about the science. If they conclude a balance can be struck by treatment you gotta stick with that. If they conclude it can’t be balanced you can ban
-but you must be able to supply an alternative for them to compete if they are under treatment and do not remain competitive with cis men. I take it that means possibly separate leagues for the individual sports but if insufficient mass for team sports then inclusion in the f leagues
-the regs measure not only participation, competitive advantage but also scholarship availability since gender identity would now be protected under title ix. They seem to acknowledge sports is about participation, competition and the money.

they seem to end up where I thought this might end up, with my main point of disagreement being some of these bans potentially extend into high school sports. No doubt will also be challenged in court.

Where would one find the new title ix refs?

Who or what is mtfs?

 

[Grace T.]

Haven’t read the tome that is the new title ix refs but here’s where I think things end up based on the commentary I’ve read on Mtfs competing with the fs, assuming this holds:

-blue states are free to be as liberally inclusive as they want
-red states cannot enact blanket bans all of which have been wiped away
-you cannot ban from prepubescent/elementary school and intramural or coed activities
-post puberty bans can be enacted but they will be constrained by what the ncaa and other orgs (like fina) conclude about the science. If they conclude a balance can be struck by treatment you gotta stick with that. If they conclude it can’t be balanced you can ban
-but you must be able to supply an alternative for them to compete if they are under treatment and do not remain competitive with cis men. I take it that means possibly separate leagues for the individual sports but if insufficient mass for team sports then inclusion in the f leagues
-the regs measure not only participation, competitive advantage but also scholarship availability since gender identity would now be protected under title ix. They seem to acknowledge sports is about participation, competition and the money.

they seem to end up where I thought this might end up, with my main point of disagreement being some of these bans potentially extend into high school sports. No doubt will also be challenged in court.

Ps some thoughts on the discrimination provisions. Since gender identity will be title ix covered, refusing to participate against or engaging in protest against a trans athlete ruled as eligible and not subject to a ban will be considered discrimination. An athlete, coach that backs up or school that backs up the athlete will be subject to the same sanctions that they would if they treated a gay or black athlete that way (eg suspension)

Interesting issue re that Vermont school if it did it again. As a private Christian school it’s outside of title ix. But it competes against public schools in a state sanctioned league. Under the new rules, their conduct is illegal and discriminatory and subject to sanction (eg removal from the sanctioned league). This might indicate Christian schools might try to go their own way and form their own leagues, but they’ll pay a heavy price in athletic recruitment as ncaa schools will be limited in the recruiting they can do out of non title ix compliant schools. They’ll have to pick between their principles and the money and opportunity for their students.

 

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[Grace T.]

The bit of that article that I can see doesn't have an author's name on it. Whose opinion is it?

You are so lazy. Do your own work and google them. ESPN has a good article up too that goes through the ins and outs as does the nyt and American lawyer

 

[espola]

Ps some thoughts on the discrimination provisions. Since gender identity will be title ix covered, refusing to participate against or engaging in protest against a trans athlete ruled as eligible and not subject to a ban will be considered discrimination. An athlete, coach that backs up or school that backs up the athlete will be subject to the same sanctions that they would if they treated a gay or black athlete that way (eg suspension)

Interesting issue re that Vermont school if it did it again. As a private Christian school it’s outside of title ix. But it competes against public schools in a state sanctioned league. Under the new rules, their conduct is illegal and discriminatory and subject to sanction (eg removal from the sanctioned league). This might indicate Christian schools might try to go their own way and form their own leagues, but they’ll pay a heavy price in athletic recruitment as ncaa schools will be limited in the recruiting they can do out of non title ix compliant schools. They’ll have to pick between their principles and the money and opportunity for their students.

Mid Vermont Christian School has already been banned from participating in any tournaments sponsored by the Vermont Principals Association, which effectively means the state playoffs in all recognized sports.

Valley News - Mid Vermont Christian School ousted from sports over transgender discrimination (vnews.com)

 

[espola]

You are so lazy. Do your own work and google them. ESPN has a good article up too that goes through the ins and outs as does the nyt and American lawyer

Is this your Slobodan impersonation?

I have found some resources on my own, but it is pretty pointless to continue the book report if we are not discussing the same book.

Are you sure that this is the post to which you intended to respond?

 

[Grace T.]

Mid Vermont Christian School has already been banned from participating in any tournaments sponsored by the Vermont Principals Association, which effectively means the state playoffs in all recognized sports.

Valley News - Mid Vermont Christian School ousted from sports over transgender discrimination (vnews.com)

The difference in result is the Utah principals association would have to do the same against a Mormon private school for the same behavior even, assuming the mtf athlete was not trans banned pursuant to the new rules, even if Utah disagrees with Vermont (or substitute Florida if you prefer).

 

[espola]

The difference in result is the Utah principals association would have to do the same against a Mormon private school for the same behavior even, assuming the mtf athlete was not trans banned pursuant to the new rules, even if Utah disagrees with Vermont (or substitute Florida if you prefer).

Could you diagram that sentence for me?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

The bit of that article that I can see doesn't have an author's name on it. Whose opinion is it?

The short answer is, The Economist's opinion

I found this when I Googled for you .
Individual articles are written anonymously, with no byline, in order for the paper to speak as one collective voice. It is supplemented by its sister lifestyle magazine, 1843, and a variety of podcasts, films, and books.

 

[espola]

The short answer is, The Economist's opinion

I found this when I Googled for you .
Individual articles are written anonymously, with no byline, in order for the paper to speak as one collective voice. It is supplemented by its sister lifestyle magazine, 1843, and a variety of podcasts, films, and books.

So it's a little commune?

 

[whatithink]

So it's a little commune?

 

[kickingandscreaming]

So it's a little commune?

Sounds more like a collective.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Here's a perspective that questions the research that indicates gender identity is brain-based and innate.

Debunked: The Transgender 'Brain Sex' Argument

The notion that “gender identity” is brain-based and innate has captured the political left. This article explains how to debunk transgender "brain sex" conjecture.

buttonslives.substack.com

Some information about the author for those who don't like to Google on their own. I had never heard of her before.

Why I’m Leaving The Daily Wire

There is a critical distinction between speaking truth and being tactless, between sticking to the facts and sticking it to the libs.

www.realityslaststand.com

 

[espola]

Here's a perspective that questions the research that indicates gender identity is brain-based and innate.

Debunked: The Transgender 'Brain Sex' Argument

The notion that “gender identity” is brain-based and innate has captured the political left. This article explains how to debunk transgender "brain sex" conjecture.

buttonslives.substack.com

Some information about the author for those who don't like to Google on their own. I had never heard of her before.

Why I’m Leaving The Daily Wire

There is a critical distinction between speaking truth and being tactless, between sticking to the facts and sticking it to the libs.

www.realityslaststand.com

Usually, when I see the word "Debunked" in the title of an article I expect more than just the author's personal conjectures.

 

[Grace T.]

Here's a perspective that questions the research that indicates gender identity is brain-based and innate.

Debunked: The Transgender 'Brain Sex' Argument

The notion that “gender identity” is brain-based and innate has captured the political left. This article explains how to debunk transgender "brain sex" conjecture.

buttonslives.substack.com

Some information about the author for those who don't like to Google on their own. I had never heard of her before.

Why I’m Leaving The Daily Wire

There is a critical distinction between speaking truth and being tactless, between sticking to the facts and sticking it to the libs.

www.realityslaststand.com

Oh wow that’s really funny

Some of the harshest criticism of the brain research has come from the scientific left. There are two grounds for it: a) it shows that there is something wrong with trans people, equating it to a disability, and b) it buys into stereotypes that there are differences in the way men and women think: blue and pink brains. There’s even an op ed in scientific America denouncing such research…2021 iirc. So it’s funny to see it from the right too.

shades of the entire sockma argument criticizing sports involvement from the far left perspective since gender is merely a construct. The far left and the right appear actually agree on quite a bit here as well if for different reasons. The trans people appear to be getting it from both sides potentially.

the hormone point is a valid critique of the studies but it’s been noted that both those on hormones and those without were included in them: you should have seen a difference between them but the data didn’t show that. Still it’s a fair point there should have been a control to see if there’s any difference. Thegay brain has been looked at and it’s also true they show some similar tendencies to the opposite gender, at least in gay men. Again not studied (because the left now objects to such studies since they affirm differences between men and women in their brains and it potentially could be inferred there is something wrong with the brains of gay men) but the observations within the prior research noted that while not quantified, different areas of the brain appear affected. Still we won’t come to an answer on this last part because any such research will be shut down as taboo and there is therefore no way to prove the authors position is wrong even though observational anecdotal data shows the author is likely in error

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Oh wow that’s really funny

Some of the harshest criticism of the brain research has come from the scientific left. There are two grounds for it: a) it shows that there is something wrong with trans people, equating it to a disability, and b) it buys into stereotypes that there are differences in the way men and women think: blue and pink brains. There’s even an op ed in scientific America denouncing such research…2021 iirc. So it’s funny to see it from the right too.

shades of the entire sockma argument criticizing sports involvement from the far left perspective since gender is merely a construct. The far left and the right appear actually agree on quite a bit here as well if for different reasons. The trans people appear to be getting it from both sides potentially.

the hormone point is a valid critique of the studies but it’s been noted that both those on hormones and those without were included in them: you should have seen a difference between them but the data didn’t show that. Still it’s a fair point there should have been a control to see if there’s any difference. Thegay brain has been looked at and it’s also true they show some similar tendencies to the opposite gender, at least in gay men. Again not studied (because the left now objects to such studies since they affirm differences between men and women in their brains and it potentially could be inferred there is something wrong with the brains of gay men) but the observations within the prior research noted that while not quantified, different areas of the brain appear affected. Still we won’t come to an answer on this last part because any such research will be shut down as taboo and there is therefore no way to prove the authors position is wrong even though observational anecdotal data shows the author is likely in error

You are correct. There will be little motivation to determine whether it is true since we see what happens to people who claim sex is binary or that biological women need private spaces and competitions made up of only biological women. Even assuming that it is true scientifically, there are underlying problems with allowing individuals to proclaim they know what brain they have. But, I suppose nothing says I am a woman, and I have a woman's brain like punching another woman in the face or threatening other women with your womanly male genitalia because you disagree with them.