If this is the question that you're asking, then the question that I have in return is what is the objective of playing youth sports? Our local sanctioning bodies have laid out their objectives on their website for all of us to see:Should sanctioning bodies allow male to female trans athletes to register on girls teams?
Without discussion, there will never be acceptance. Without acceptance, transgender girls will never be able to lead the normal life that you're talking about. Not everyone who wants to talk about this or is unsure on their stance here is a transphobe as @GoldenGate will have you believe. Where we stand today, there will be vitriol on the sidelines of the opposition when playing against a transgender girl. There's a reason that this topic was brought up on that forum to begin with.Even discussing it generally makes it hard on these children. All they want is to lead a normal life, but haters seem to think what they are really doing is trying to find a way to get a hand up in life to ruin someone else's athletic dreams. lol, yeah, that's the first thing on a 10-year old's mind: how can I ruin some one else's dreams of playing in college?
If this is the question that you're asking, then the question that I have in return is what is the objective of playing youth sports? Our local sanctioning bodies have laid out their objectives on their website for all of us to see:
- Based on US Club Soccer's Vision, Mission and Core Statement, they should not allow transgender girls to play on girls teams.
- Based on Cal South's About Us, Vision, Mission and Core Statement, they should allow transgender girls to play on girls teams.
Even discussing it generally makes it hard on these children. All they want is to lead a normal life, but haters seem to think what they are really doing is trying to find a way to get a hand up in life to ruin someone else's athletic dreams. lol, yeah, that's the first thing on a 10-year old's mind: how can I ruin some one else's dreams of playing in college?
Correct. Nowhere is gender or inclusivity discussed. Instead, US Club talks about promoting the best interests of players and the game, acting in a businesslike manner and being a loyal member of U.S. Soccer. In that case, they should follow the guidelines that NWSL, US Soccer's women's league, has put in place for transgender athletes.Care to expand on how you came to that conclusion for US Club Soccer? The words boy, girl, male, female, or gender are not used there.
It's in the interest of women's sports to keep the compeition fair and not make it a laughing stock within the professional sports community...and to try and stay away from the vagueness of gender vs the quantifiable ID of sex at birth. There are outlyer medical conditions that contradict but those are few and far between.Correct. Nowhere is gender or inclusivity discussed. Instead, US Club talks about promoting the best interests of players and the game, acting in a businesslike manner and being a loyal member of U.S. Soccer. In that case, they should follow the guidelines that NWSL, US Soccer's women's league, has put in place for transgender athletes.
Correct. Nowhere is gender or inclusivity discussed. Instead, US Club talks about promoting the best interests of players and the game, acting in a businesslike manner and being a loyal member of U.S. Soccer. In that case, they should follow the guidelines that NWSL, US Soccer's women's league, has put in place for transgender athletes.
I don't have a high degree of confidence that this is a forum conducive to reasonable discussion of this topic.
It looks like they need an established transition program and are subject to more or less continuous blood testing.Doesn't that policy allow for transgender athletes to play, but with various guidelines?
Quote of the year. Go dive into the off-topic to get an eye-opener. I did, went and took a shower, and promise to never do so again.
It looks like they need an established transition program and are subject to more or less continuous blood testing.
I know millions of reasons, but let's not go there tonight. Oh boy, this is a tough one and I took the bait. Crush believes under 11, go co-ed. 12 and above, we shall take each case by itself, male or female. I empathies with everyone and I want to bring peace and harmony and FAIRNESS. The Lia one is a no for me because we need standard of rules of when Lia is offically I girl and Lia needs to get rid of something before I even listen but if Lia goes all the way and is making strides to be who she wants to be, the Pro's can interview and ask more Qs. I love you all and I want to help everyone through all this. I coached my dd U6 co-ed team and it was a gr8t joy. We lost every game but the kids had fun.I have no problem with my daughters competing against athletes who are trans women or trans girls. I do not believe that there are adolescent boys or young adult men who will go through the process of living as a girl or woman just to catch a look at other girls/women in the locker room or for a competitive advantage. If someone identifies as a girl or woman and lives as a girl or a woman, I think she should compete in girls' or women's athletics. The issue involves a relatively small number of trans athletes so a policy of inclusion seems the most reasonable to me.
I don't have a high degree of confidence that this is a forum conducive to reasonable discussion of this topic.
(FWIW, I am a parent of one D1 woman soccer player and two HS girl soccer players (my first child is a boy (well, now a man) and is not really relevant to this discussion))
NWSL is dealing with adults. It’s closer to reasonable for them to request a specific medical procedure (gonadectomy or androgen suppressants) as a condition of playing in their league. And they do require it.Correct. Nowhere is gender or inclusivity discussed. Instead, US Club talks about promoting the best interests of players and the game, acting in a businesslike manner and being a loyal member of U.S. Soccer. In that case, they should follow the guidelines that NWSL, US Soccer's women's league, has put in place for transgender athletes.
I know a dear friend whose dd became a yound man at 12 and then a man and is super happy. Hannah became Nick and looks and acts like a male 100%. I have not met a ds who became a girl but I know their out their and all humans should be handled with love and care. However, we need some standards, some definitions and that is fair. I think all know what I mean. Case by case and treat each person with dignity and no judgment. Openness and transparency is key. We can do this everyone.NWSL is dealing with adults. It’s closer to reasonable for them to request a specific medical procedure (gonadectomy or androgen suppressants) as a condition of playing in their league. And they do require it.
I wouldn’t want to out that kind of pressure on a kid. You don’t want to say “we’ll let you play, but only if you push transition faster than you find comfortable”.
Correct. Nowhere is gender or inclusivity discussed. Instead, US Club talks about promoting the best interests of players and the game, acting in a businesslike manner and being a loyal member of U.S. Soccer. In that case, they should follow the guidelines that NWSL, US Soccer's women's league, has put in place for transgender athletes.
It's a great question and one that is argued over and over. Human biology is entirely too complicated to leave it up to one marker to determine fairness in sports.I'm going to regret biting on this thread...
Let's say for discussion sake that we accept what you're suggesting. What does the NWSL policy look like:
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The hard line in the sand here is the max testosterone level of 10nmol/L and the declaration that the athlete identifies as female.
You're saying you're good with this?
Should sanctioning bodies allow male to female trans athletes to register on girls teams?
Please do not mention any specific child or team. It is common enough to be an issue, but we can discuss the fairness questions without making life hard for some kid.
It's not worth arguing this one.I'm going to regret biting on this thread...
Let's say for discussion sake that we accept what you're suggesting. What does the NWSL policy look like:
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The hard line in the sand here is the max testosterone level of 10nmol/L and the declaration that the athlete identifies as female.
You're saying you're good with this?