Today in Fascism

watfly said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you on Iraq, but if we're going back in time, a much greater intelligence failure occurred under the Carter administration which led to the fall of the Shah. Granted the Shah was not perfect, but the Ayatollah was pure evil and was the primary reason for the destabilization of the Middle East which obviously exists until this day.
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The Shah was a dictator (from 1941-79), who worked for us irrespective of the consequences - and yes, the Ayatollah was pure evil and his junkies since. We also loved Batista in Cuba, and that worked out excellently. What about the Southern Vietnamese autocrats from 1954 onward! There's Pinochet in Chile to add to the mix. Our judgement (or lack thereof) doesn't appear to be party specific.

TBH, the US is pretty shit at the whole geopolitics thing when it comes to dictators/autocrats because we couldn't give a crap about the people. Backing autocrats and dictators never ends well. One would hope that lesson is well learned ... wait, the suggestions that the PLA under Abbas (who couldn't be more unpopular in both Gaza & the West Back) should control Gaza show nothing has been learned.
 
watfly said:
We're not going to agree on this. I trust what I see with my own eyes, so that's what I'm going to rely on.
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Fine, I just quoted your article which says that 70% of Gazans would not vote for Hamas which would appear to be a pretty unequivocal rejection to me, but hey ho!
 
espola said:
q.e.d.
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Here's one for you, dummy. This is the shit cops have to deal with. Then you wonder why they might be wound up. Me? I'd only have to shoot one of them to get everyone's attention. I'll bet that would shut these uneducated, unemployed punks up and lose their badass. Truthfully, half of them are probably Biden voters here illegally.

 
Slobodan said:
Here's one for you, dummy. This is the shit cops have to deal with. Then you wonder why they might be wound up. Me? I'd only have to shoot one of them to get everyone's attention. I'll bet that would shut these uneducated, unemployed punks up and lose their badass. Truthfully, half of them are probably Biden voters here illegally.

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Truthfully?
 
watfly said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you on Iraq, but if we're going back in time, a much greater intelligence failure occurred under the Carter administration which led to the fall of the Shah. Granted the Shah was not perfect, but the Ayatollah was pure evil and was the primary reason for the destabilization of the Middle East which obviously exists until this day.
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CIA is responsible for all this shit. They prop countries up or kill the leaders if they don't obey.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
This is how fascist dictators do things.

A CNN correspondent was barred from attending an open press event at the White House on Wednesday because of questions she asked President Donald Trump earlier in the day.

Caitlin Collins and her employer, CNN, say the White House denied Collins access to Trump's Rose Garden event with the European Commission president because officials found her earlier questions "inappropriate."

http://myconnection.cox.com/article/entertainment/d68a9d52-90d9-11e8-a88d-dc8606b09324/
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Wow... you started this entire thread to cry about Trump and look how poorly it's held up, CisKer. Would you say JoeTato Briben is a fascist? Go head and ignore it. That's what you and Fudd do.

 
whatithink said:
Fine, I just quoted your article which says that 70% of Gazans would not vote for Hamas which would appear to be a pretty unequivocal rejection to me, but hey ho!
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While 70% supported Hamas actions on October 7. They might not vote for Hamas but they overwhelmingly support Hamas terrorist actions. Maybe Palestinians prefer a different anti-Jew organization that doesn't use them as human shields and their deaths as propaganda.
 
watfly said:
Wasnt me. It was whatithink. Just like the hospital "bombing" its all strategic propaganda from Hamas to garner sympathy from suckers.
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Yeah I wasn't sure who it was. That is why I apologized if I got the wrong person.

That said the UN isn't particularly trustworthy as it relates to Israel and so when the dramatically reduce deaths that tells us something
 
whatithink said:
That's really trying to reshape an entire narrative. At its core, this is about Palestinians have a right to self determination in their own land. That has been coopted by Hamas in Gaza. Returning the hostages will not end the current conflict. The Israeli minister for finance (I think) who is an extreme right pol has stated that the IDF will go into Rafah irrespective and if Netanyahu doesn't the gov will fall, hostage return or not.

Hamas literally accepted a ceasefire last week, only for Netanyahu to say it wasn't enough. Neither side, to my mind, want a ceasefire, for different reasons, as they both see winning in different terms. The leader of Hamas in Gaza (don't recall the name) is reportedly saying that they have already won, irrespective of whether he and every Hamas fighter in Gaza dies, i.e. they have achieved their objective. Netanyahu knows that once the war stops he's probably done, so he must "defeat" Hamas to have any political future, and even then its doubtful. His minimum must be that Hamas is defeated, not that the hostages have been returned.
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The ceasefire they..hamas accepted wasn't one that Israel was negotiating.

So another propaganda coup in the sense that people read Hamas accepted a deal. And yet that wasn't a deal Israel was proposing. And people say why is Israel attacking when Hamas accepted a deal. They didn't.
 
@Slobodan

Democrat-Run California Imposes Secret 50-Cent Per Gallon Gas Tax​


California is kicking out good people and replacing them so espola can "hire" them under the table. He has a Nanny that will do whatever her master tells her and a farmhand to handle his vineyard. This guy is a total clown.
 
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Slobodan said:
Why would you ask a question when my statement was clear and concise? You didn't answer my question about being spineless.

What about this one, schmuck? Did cops violate this piece of shit's Constitutional rights?

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I would say no.

Truthfully? (still unanswered)
 
watfly said:
While 70% supported Hamas actions on October 7. They might not vote for Hamas but they overwhelmingly support Hamas terrorist actions. Maybe Palestinians prefer a different anti-Jew organization that doesn't use them as human shields and their deaths as propaganda.
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Or maybe they just want to stop being nobodies with nothing in this world and would prefer to have their own country that they could vote for their own representatives (apparently neither Hamas or PLA) to govern them. Funny thing is that nobody has done anything to help them.

Here's an interesting article from the Israeli press written on Oct 8th.

www.timesofisrael.com

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
 
Desert Hound said:
The ceasefire they..hamas accepted wasn't one that Israel was negotiating.

So another propaganda coup in the sense that people read Hamas accepted a deal. And yet that wasn't a deal Israel was proposing. And people say why is Israel attacking when Hamas accepted a deal. They didn't.
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Again, Israel has never proposed a ceasefire. The 40 day pause was the deal, with Netanyahu stating that Israel will invade Rafah irrespective. Neither want a ceasefire, IMO, as it servers neither of their short term interests. Ordinary Palestinians dying are of little concern to either side.
 
Desert Hound said:
I would say Chileans were lucky to have Pinochet vs the beloved Castro and Che that the left so love to this day.
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I'm assuming using the word "lucky" is just a slip of the tongue. Its doubtful that Chileans would agree with you on that score. Are you "lucky" if your evil bastard isn't as bad as someone else's evil bastard? Does that mean that Cubans were "lucky" to have Castro/Che versus Stalin or Mao?

Personally, I think Cubans were "unlucky" to have Batista and then doubly "unlucky" that Castro replaced him. I guess when you get F'd from the right and then F'd from the left, you just end up thoroughly F'd ... but not in a good way ;).
 
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