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Kicker4Life said:
So your banner leader is Newsome?
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No. Unlike most posters here, I see no need to be a partisan fanboy.

It’s possible for me to like half of his actions and dislike the other half. I like his rezoning policy, but dislike his support for housing subsidies. He supports far too much borrowing, but at least he was willing to kill high speed rail.

Newsom is a mixed bag. Some good, some bad.
 
dad4 said:
Yes. Newsom’s housing policies while in SF were not at all effective.

Back then, he was a typical progressive. Promise people you will help the poor by spending large amounts of SOM, but never actually think too hard about what works and what does not.

His current policy is quite different. It actually tries to attack the cause of the problem. I’d prefer a more conservative set of solutions, but the CA GOP has been as useless as the left on this. Revoking CEQA without changing zoning won’t do jack shit, and any decent conservative economist knows it.
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He hasn't done anything at this point.

From Politico.


This is all hypothetical for now. The only immediate action the governor took Friday was signing an executive order launching a “strike team” meant to work across state agencies on infrastructure projects. The 11 pieces of legislation, which will be introduced as budget trailer bills, will require negotiating with his colleagues on the other side of N Street.

We should also note that these proposals don’t include any fast tracking for houses, which are in critically low supply in California. Asked about the omission Friday, Newsom said he’s proud of progress made thus far, and he’s looking forward to working with legislators on new efforts this year — though he declined to endorse any specific bills.
 
dad4 said:
No. Unlike most posters here, I see no need to be a partisan fanboy.

It’s possible for me to like half of his actions and dislike the other half. I like his rezoning policy, but dislike his support for housing subsidies. He supports far too much borrowing, but at least he was willing to kill high speed rail.

Newsom is a mixed bag. Some good, some bad.
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If by rezoning you mean SB6 which allows commercial property to be converted to residential property without going through the rezoning process, you have to understand that that requires the use of prevailing wage on those developments. That might result in some new housing, but it will be far from affordable. SB6 is more about getting higher wages for construction workers than addressing the housing crisis.
 
Desert Hound said:
He hasn't done anything at this point.

From Politico.


This is all hypothetical for now. The only immediate action the governor took Friday was signing an executive order launching a “strike team” meant to work across state agencies on infrastructure projects. The 11 pieces of legislation, which will be introduced as budget trailer bills, will require negotiating with his colleagues on the other side of N Street.

We should also note that these proposals don’t include any fast tracking for houses, which are in critically low supply in California. Asked about the omission Friday, Newsom said he’s proud of progress made thus far, and he’s looking forward to working with legislators on new efforts this year — though he declined to endorse any specific bills.
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I was referring to the administrative decision to not certify bogus housing elements. Not hypothetical at all.

You’re right that there will be no legislative progress. The core of the party here is rich liberals. They are happy to spend money, but don’t you dare put a duplex on their street.
 
watfly said:
If by rezoning you mean SB6 which allows commercial property to be converted to residential property without going through the rezoning process, you have to understand that that requires the use of prevailing wage on those developments. That might result in some new housing, but it will be far from affordable. SB6 is more about getting higher wages for construction workers than addressing the housing crisis.
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Not SB6. Prevailing wage is a tax paid to the building and trades council. The mode definition makes it worse.

I am talking about housing elements. Just use the builder’s remedy to force cities to rezone.

I’d be happy if the right would take this up. Basic property rights say that if you own land you should be able to do something with it, so the right ought to have useful ideas on rolling back excessive zoning regulations. But the right in CA is just as NIMBY as the left.
 
dad4 said:
I am talking about housing elements. Just use the builder’s remedy to force cities to rezone.

I’d be happy if the right would take this up. Basic property rights say that if you own land you should be able to do something with it, so the right ought to have useful ideas on rolling back excessive zoning regulations. But the right in CA is just as NIMBY as the left.
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How do you propose to do that? I don't know if you'd consider real estate trade organizations as left or right but they are constantly fighting new zoning regulations (as funded by developers, contractors etc that are both Left and Right). Tough to roll back existing zoning regulations when you're constantly fighting new ones. It's also tough when your fighting with time, resources and $$$ against other anti-business measures like the rollback of Prop 13 for commercial properties.

You also have to understand that oftentimes you have to pursue a General Plan Amendment before you can even get a zoning change. You know how long that takes? Years, on top of your regular entitlement process. Not many developers have the fortitude to invest that amount of time and money.
 
dad4 said:
Yes. Newsom’s housing policies while in SF were not at all effective.

Back then, he was a typical progressive. Promise people you will help the poor by spending large amounts of SOM, but never actually think too hard about what works and what does not.

His current policy is quite different. It actually tries to attack the cause of the problem. I’d prefer a more conservative set of solutions, but the CA GOP has been as useless as the left on this. Revoking CEQA without changing zoning won’t do jack shit, and any decent conservative economist knows it.
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When the GOP runs California, let us know. I might not have to move. Gavin is a worthless piece of shit and you know it. Like every other democrat in 2023, it's all about keeping power by buying votes.
 
watfly said:
How do you propose to do that? I don't know if you'd consider real estate trade organizations as left or right but they are constantly fighting new zoning regulations (as funded by developers, contractors etc that are both Left and Right). Tough to roll back existing zoning regulations when you're constantly fighting new ones. It's also tough when your fighting with time, resources and $$$ against other anti-business measures like the rollback of Prop 13 for commercial properties.

You also have to understand that oftentimes you have to pursue a General Plan Amendment before you can even get a zoning change. You know how long that takes? Years, on top of your regular entitlement process. Not many developers have the fortitude to invest that amount of time and money.
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Newsom’s solution was to make it the city‘s problem. The city is required, by state law, to have an approved housing element. If a city doesn’t have an approved housing element, then the city loses the right to deny permits for qualified projects. So Newsom decided to stop approving the bogus housing elements most cities submit.

This way, when a city drags their feet on amending the General Plan, that’s not a barrier. Developers will submit projects under the builder’s remedy, and housing will get built.

The city is free to clutch their pearls all they want, and talk about how horribly difficult it is to rezone. They can even leave their old zoning maps in place. But the housing can get built despite those (now invalid) maps.
 
dad4 said:
Newsom’s solution was to make it the city‘s problem. The city is required, by state law, to have an approved housing element. If a city doesn’t have an approved housing element, then the city loses the right to deny permits for qualified projects. So Newsom decided to stop approving the bogus housing elements most cities submit.

This way, when a city drags their feet on amending the General Plan, that’s not a barrier. Developers will submit projects under the builder’s remedy, and housing will get built.

The city is free to clutch their pearls all they want, and talk about how horribly difficult it is to rezone. They can even leave their old zoning maps in place. But the housing can get built despite those (now invalid) maps.
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On the Governor's own website they cite SB6 and AB2011 as the bills to accomplish the above. Both have prevailing wage requirements. That basically kills any affordable housing coming as a result of these bills.
 
dad4 said:
No. Unlike most posters here, I see no need to be a partisan fanboy.

It’s possible for me to like half of his actions and dislike the other half. I like his rezoning policy, but dislike his support for housing subsidies. He supports far too much borrowing, but at least he was willing to kill high speed rail.

Newsom is a mixed bag. Some good, some bad.
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Anyone with a brain would have killed high speed rail years ago. Gavin Newsom hasn't done a single thing that's good. Maybe if he wasn't ass raped over unemployment/Covid benefits and actually did something productive with homelessness instead of grow it? But hey... he needs to uh... pause between... words to... dramatize his intelligence and... good hair to... chastise the governor who is taking taxpayers from him every single day.

And you are as much a partisan fanboy as anybody.
 
espola said:
It seems that in this intellectual desert, the only response to things I have posted is to pretend that I posted something else.
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In that case, why don't you enlighten all the knuckle-draggers here as to why you created that thread? That will clear the muddy water you love to swim in so often.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Outrage and anger, the way of the maga. If it doesn’t exist make something up.
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Well look who jumped into the conversation this morning a little over an hour after @espola woke up and had his first cup of coffee. I'm guessing @espola realized @Hüsker Dü needed to up his post count so he signed him in for a "like" and a comment. How cute.
Outrage and anger? Where? Post it if you can find it. I'll wait. (Jeopardy music playing on a continuous loop while we wait..and wait..and wait.)
 
pewpew said:
Well look who jumped into the conversation this morning a little over an hour after @espola woke up and had his first cup of coffee. I'm guessing @espola realized @Hüsker Dü needed to up his post count so he signed him in for a "like" and a comment. How cute.
Outrage and anger? Where? Post it if you can find it. I'll wait. (Jeopardy music playing on a continuous loop while we wait..and wait..and wait.)
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Bad guess.
 
dad4 said:
Newsom’s solution was to make it the city‘s problem. The city is required, by state law, to have an approved housing element. If a city doesn’t have an approved housing element, then the city loses the right to deny permits for qualified projects. So Newsom decided to stop approving the bogus housing elements most cities submit.

This way, when a city drags their feet on amending the General Plan, that’s not a barrier. Developers will submit projects under the builder’s remedy, and housing will get built.

The city is free to clutch their pearls all they want, and talk about how horribly difficult it is to rezone. They can even leave their old zoning maps in place. But the housing can get built despite those (now invalid) maps.
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How have any of those policies worked out this far? From what I see and read, the “housing” crisis has only gotten worse in CA under Newsome.
 
Kicker4Life said:
How have any of those policies worked out this far? From what I see and read, the “housing” crisis has only gotten worse in CA under Newsome.
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How many people need to be living in their cars before you stop needing quotation marks to refer to the housing crisis?

That’s some serious “callousness“ you are showing to your fellow man.

There are tens of thousands of people living in their cars up here. We don’t need bonus punctuation to realize there is a problem.

I am happy to discuss solutions, and willing to admit that Newsom’s SF policies were naive and useless. But there are more than enough head in the sand folks up here. No need for one more.
 
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