T 2.0

Desert Hound said:
Vice Presidents normally only get 6 months of protection. Biden auto pen extended it for Kamala. T is going back to the norms that all former VPs have had.
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I fully understand the circumstances, but it comes off as petty and just adds to the authoritarian claims. I'm tired of the tit for tat politics. It just creates this endless cycle of retribution politics. It's become this scoreboard of Dems vs Repub, instead of just moving forward for Americans. I support many of Trump's policies and think he has been one of the most transformational presidents in his first 6 months, but I can't stand the retribution part of his politics. Sure, you can spin the cancellation of her security detail as a positive in terms of saving money, but we all know that's not what its really about.
 
watfly said:
I fully understand the circumstances, but it comes off as petty and just adds to the authoritarian claims. I'm tired of the tit for tat politics. It just creates this endless cycle of retribution politics. It's become this scoreboard of Dems vs Repub, instead of just moving forward for Americans. I support many of Trump's policies and think he has been one of the most transformational presidents in his first 6 months, but I can't stand the retribution part of his politics. Sure, you can spin the cancellation of her security detail as a positive in terms of saving money, but we all know that's not what its really about.
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I would like to point out the following.

After Iranian assassination threats against a number of T 1.0 officials, Dems pulled their security.

We are going to live under 1 set of rules. People should think carefully as to the set of rules they want to live under.
 
watfly said:
I fully understand the circumstances, but it comes off as petty and just adds to the authoritarian claims. I'm tired of the tit for tat politics. It just creates this endless cycle of retribution politics. It's become this scoreboard of Dems vs Repub, instead of just moving forward for Americans. I support many of Trump's policies and think he has been one of the most transformational presidents in his first 6 months, but I can't stand the retribution part of his politics. Sure, you can spin the cancellation of her security detail as a positive in terms of saving money, but we all know that's not what its really about.
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Poor baby
 
Desert Hound said:
I would like to point out the following.

After Iranian assassination threats against a number of T 1.0 officials, Dems pulled their security.

We are going to live under 1 set of rules. People should think carefully as to the set of rules they want to live under.
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Excellent take Hound
 
watfly said:
Exactly, tit for tat.
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For too long Dems have played the lawfare game, the gotcha game, etc with no consequences. Rs have basically allowed that to slide. All that does is encourage them to keep playing games.

If the same rules are now applied to them that they created...maybe we can get them to stop their games.

But if they can play the game for example...Hillary is fine with 30k classified emails and they dont even investigate...but go after T and former T admin people for what they let Hillary slide on...then they should now be subject to their own rules.

We cannot have 1 set of rules for Ds and another for Rs.
 
watfly said:
I fully understand the circumstances, but it comes off as petty and just adds to the authoritarian claims. I'm tired of the tit for tat politics. It just creates this endless cycle of retribution politics. It's become this scoreboard of Dems vs Repub, instead of just moving forward for Americans. I support many of Trump's policies and think he has been one of the most transformational presidents in his first 6 months, but I can't stand the retribution part of his politics. Sure, you can spin the cancellation of her security detail as a positive in terms of saving money, but we all know that's not what its really about.
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I don't agree with that in general but I think your point is valid. And frankly, since the democrats are angry Trump won, and Trump is angry about how they blamed him during Joe's 4 years, this is what we'll get until January 2029. And whether it's deliberate or not, which you and I both know it is, it's going to be "authoritarian" no matter what he says or does.

Trump could cure cancer and liberals would gripe that he put thousands of people out of a job.
 
Desert Hound said:
For too long Dems have played the lawfare game, the gotcha game, etc with no consequences. Rs have basically allowed that to slide. All that does is encourage them to keep playing games.

If the same rules are now applied to them that they created...maybe we can get them to stop their games.

But if they can play the game for example...Hillary is fine with 30k classified emails and they dont even investigate...but go after T and former T admin people for what they let Hillary slide on...then they should now be subject to their own rules.

We cannot have 1 set of rules for Ds and another for Rs.
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I totally understand where you are coming from, and you're not wrong, but Dem's will just double down. Right now, the Dem's are fighting a so-called threat to democracy, by actually skirting democratic principles.

I'm less worried about elected politicians being held accountable, that can be done with elections, and more concerned for unelected bureaucrats being held accountable. People like Fauci and the 51 "intelligence experts" need to be held accountable. Going after Kamala is rather meaningless given she faced the ultimate humiliation by not getting elected.

You get retribution by winning elections, not by lawfare and petty actions. Democrats face accountability when they lose elections...although they seem to be fucking slow learners.
 
Slobodan said:
Trump could cure cancer and liberals would gripe that he put thousands of people out of a job.
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It's ironic because liberals claim that "we" believe that Trump can do no wrong; however, they are far more indoctrinated in the belief that everything that Trump does is bad. So indoctrinated that he has the Dems taking the wrong side on a whole host of issues.

Who spends more time fixated on Trump? Liberals by a long shot.

There is no question that the Dems claim everything Trump does is authoritarian, whether it is or isn't. The real question is will independents and moderates? I don't think they do, so given the chance, Trump should take the high road. Fuck the current Dem Party, aka the Far Left Party. Why would conservatives want to their vote anyway?
 
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