I'll give you tariffs, but the other items are either behaviors or issues the Dem's/Biden were at least as bad as, or worse. When it comes to platform issues the left has become more extreme.
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You missed the Satan part of the Dems
Congratulations Tampon Tim, You've Earned It.
Enjoy Your Special Place.
Wrong again loser!!!
Forgot, the weaponization of the non-cable media. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR
whatithink
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To plagiarize part of your reply, rank-and-file Democrat's couldn't care less about most of your list. Most would actually be against many items on it such as, but not limited to, defunding the police, identity politics, censorship, elitism, your LBTQ spiel and the anti-Semitism BS label that is so misused (aka the racism label that is just as misused).
Politicians and commentators and opinion writers/talkers/makers are in the business of taking extremes and labeling their opponents, en masse as being on board with those extreme positions. That's what wins votes and that's what culture wars are about.
No political party wins elections by pointing out that we are overwhelmingly more alike than different. That ship has long since sailed.
The reaction to my "Cleese" post just demonstrates how nailed on he had it and how its so relevant today.
whatithink
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How much were Fox fined again for lying? What was their defense again, that its not news just opinions and nobody should believe it or take it seriously ... or something like that. Of course there was also the public apology from Newsmax and the lawsuits settled by OAN.
In other words, pot, kettle, black.
How the F can you only see one side of this?
Hüsker Dü
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So if you didn’t like biden doing it why is ok for trump?
Hüsker Dü
DA
“weaponization” or just inconvenient facts?
I'm sorry which one of those is ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR? Yes, cable news is biased. We all know that MSNBC is far left and Fox News is far right that's a given. That's where you go for confirmation bias. Network news should be unbiased, but they we're weaponized by the left.
Now if you want to argue that network news is no longer relevant, I will concede that point, but it still doesn't mean that they haven't swung pretty far to the left.
Desert Hound
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To go point by point.
Trade policy has been more protectionist. We have lost our manufacturing and are largely dependent upon China which is not our friend. The GOP realizes it is not in the best interests to hollow out manufacturing and offshoring it to a country that is a dictatorship. This is a good shift in policy.
GOP has never been fully on board with climate change. The solutions offered up by the left mean higher prices, less reliability on energy, etc.
Abortion rights are now back to the states where it should have been decided decades ago.
Ten commandments, don't say gay? FL never had a don't say gay thing going on. This is disinformation. There is no GOP wide push for ten commandments in school. It is a non issue.
Election denial has been part and parcel starting with GW BUSH.
GOPers labeled as RHINO has increased. WHY? Because we have a political class that talks up issues when running for election and then in power do the opposite. Think McCain. I watched numerous political ads with him in a cowboy had with a bit of an accent demanding to shut the border and build a wall. When re elected voted the other way all the time. Those are Rhinos. The electorate who are Rep are tired of the bait and switch and are calling these people out.
Trump has been rather effective. He is showing others to discount the press and attack them when they parrot or push D lines. For too long Rs have allowed the press to push the narrative. T has shown there is another path. That path is common sense. More common sense is putting to bed the lie that you need more lies to actually secure the border. Showing how much waste is in the gov, etc. For to long it has been oh...we cant do anything. Truth is you can.
I never said it was. I will just point out that Trump made his fortune before he was a politician and Biden exploited his political power for financial gain for the family.
Hüsker Dü
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...ld-trump-double-his-fortune-in-just-one-year/How President Donald Trump More Than Doubled His Fortune In One Year
Hüsker Dü
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This article claims 89% of trump’s current wealth came from crypto.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/in...-6-7-billion-forbes/articleshow/117431405.cmshow rich is donald trump: Donald Trump's net worth: How US President made billions - The Economic Times
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- We purposely outsourced our manufacturing and loved it. It will move to other countries with limited returning and only then if it can be predominantly automated.
- GOP was fine with business resolving climate change, it has now gone full bore on fossil fuels, which is fine, just own it.
- Every US citizen should have the same rights, healthcare being one of them.
- 4 GOP states have passed legislation on ten commandments in schools, 15 have filed legislation on it. If that isn't a GOP push, then we have radically different definitions.
- Election denial has increased dramatically.
- RINOs, aka moderates or centrists, have been pushed out. We agree. BTW, that would be a move to the right, but hey!
- Trump is interesting. He is governing by fiat / EO. I'm down with securing the border. The waste in government is misleading. Its more removing spend on items which no longer agree with the current admins policy. The Q is if that's legal, given that Congress has funded it. The courts will decide in most cases. I do think that when politicians collectively use certain phrases, without every backing them up - you know its a crock of
. Exhibit A in this instance would be "waste, fraud, and abuse". We will NEVER resolve the deficit via eliminating "waste, fraud, and abuse", and anyone who mentions that as a way to do it is a lying sack of . But now I'm talking about liars and hypocrites and the left/right Dems/GOP have them in equal measure.
Desert Hound
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Here is an example of common sense.
We have been told we need more laws to secure the border...something the majority of Americans want.
Contrast and compare..
Border Patrol agents didn't release a single migrant into the US last month -- a staggering drop after the Biden administration allowed 64,000 illegal crossers in the country in May 2024, The Post can exclusively reveal.
Agents caught 8,725 migrants crossing illegally at the southern border last month.
That's a 93% decrease from May 2024, when 117,905 were nabbed, according to internal data obtained by The Post.
Now recall that the mainstream press and the Ds and the WH all claimed the border was secure for years under Biden. Only till the end did they claim...well if the GOP hadn't scuttled a deal they could secure the border. BUT...FOX NEWS is biased or something ....right? Fox got a fine. The same people highlighting that forget that for years the press told us Biden was a sharp as a tack. Now we find out (many of us knew) that he wasn't even up to it in 2019 when he was running. That should be one of the biggest scandals over the last 100 yrs. We had a guy who had no business making toast and yet he was in theory Prez. The Ds, the WH and and Press lied to us and said they guy was all there.
It is refreshing to have a guy come in and do what he said he would do. That is why he won. That is why he made inroads in minority communities, etc.
We have been told we need more laws to secure the border...something the majority of Americans want.
Contrast and compare..
Border Patrol agents didn't release a single migrant into the US last month -- a staggering drop after the Biden administration allowed 64,000 illegal crossers in the country in May 2024, The Post can exclusively reveal.
Agents caught 8,725 migrants crossing illegally at the southern border last month.
That's a 93% decrease from May 2024, when 117,905 were nabbed, according to internal data obtained by The Post.
Now recall that the mainstream press and the Ds and the WH all claimed the border was secure for years under Biden. Only till the end did they claim...well if the GOP hadn't scuttled a deal they could secure the border. BUT...FOX NEWS is biased or something ....right? Fox got a fine. The same people highlighting that forget that for years the press told us Biden was a sharp as a tack. Now we find out (many of us knew) that he wasn't even up to it in 2019 when he was running. That should be one of the biggest scandals over the last 100 yrs. We had a guy who had no business making toast and yet he was in theory Prez. The Ds, the WH and and Press lied to us and said they guy was all there.
It is refreshing to have a guy come in and do what he said he would do. That is why he won. That is why he made inroads in minority communities, etc.
whatithink
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The craziest thing about the stats below is that 22% of the "next common" cite Joe Rogan's podcast as their news source
.- Republicans:
- 57% rely regularly on Fox News — more than twice the share for any other single source pewresearch.org.
- Next common: ABC (27%), NBC (24%), CBS (22%), Joe Rogan podcast (22%), Newsmax (15%), The Daily Wire (12%), Tucker Carlson Network (9%) pewresearch.org.
- Democrats:
- More diverse media diet: CNN (48%), NBC (47%), ABC (46%), CBS (39%), MSNBC (33%), NPR (32%), AP (31%), PBS (31%), BBC (30%), NYT (29%) pewresearch.org.
- Overlap:
- 20% of Republicans also get news from CNN, and 18% of Democrats from Fox News
Desert Hound
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Point by point.
- We purposely outsourced our manufacturing and loved it. It will move to other countries with limited returning and only then if it can be predominantly automated.
- GOP was fine with business resolving climate change, it has now gone full bore on fossil fuels, which is fine, just own it.
- Every US citizen should have the same rights, healthcare being one of them.
- 4 GOP states have passed legislation on ten commandments in schools, 15 have filed legislation on it. If that isn't a GOP push, then we have radically different definitions.
- Election denial has increased dramatically.
- RINOs, aka moderates or centrists, have been pushed out. We agree. BTW, that would be a move to the right, but hey!
- Trump is interesting. He is governing by fiat / EO. I'm down with securing the border. The waste in government is misleading. Its more removing spend on items which no longer agree with the current admins policy. The Q is if that's legal, given that Congress has funded it. The courts will decide in most cases. I do think that when politicians collectively use certain phrases, without every backing them up - you know its a crock of
Yep we purposely outsourced manufacturing and the elites loved it. Strategically it isn't a smart move and it hurts long term US interests. That is why there is a change.
GOP as a whole has never been on board with climate change. For the forseable future fossil fuels will be the dominate energy source. It is only realistic to acknowledge that and take advantage of our resources to make us less reliant on other countries and or unreliable sources of energy (that cost a lot more to the consumer).
Healthcare? Isn't a right per say as you are implying (which I take it to be single payer).
Ten commandments? You don't see the national GOP push this. It isn't a national issue. If 4 states have this where somewhere in a classroom where kids can see it, not sure what harm it does. It doesn't...trick question. I dont push for it. But if on the spectrum of 4 states having the 10 commandments vs more dem states pushing boys can be girls...I like most people go the traditional route.
Most election denial comes from the left. One only has to look at Bush, Bush again, Trump 1 and now Trump 2. If we are to add up denial, it comes far more frequently from the left.
You will eliminate a lot of the deficit getting rid of waste, fraud, etc. So much of what we spend is totally unnecessary. A program gets put in place and just grows and grows. Our departments do not run efficiently by any stretch. What is telling that even talking of cutting waste, fraud, etc. put the D party on the vapors. CA on the state level over the past few years has spent 24 billion on the homeless with literally zero to show for it. Another endeavor was to spend billions on low income housing...with virtually all the money spent and basically no housing built. CA has spent billions on billions on the high speed train with virtually nothing built. Same crap happens on the Fed level.