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Slobodan said:
It'll be interesting to see what the Dems do now because there's no clear front runner, especially now that Gavin has decided that promising tampons in the boys locker room won't get you elected, and everyone in the party sees a wide open birth for the driver's seat. Cory Booker was willing to wear a diaper for 25 hours. AOC is out eating sugar cubes and apples through a picket fence in hopes of getting Bernie Magoo supporters to ride her without a saddle. Kamala is... well... probably unburdened by something 80-proof and Walz seems to be doubling down on the insanity game. That won't end well. Fauxahontas probably won't have the sense to not run because she may need a pardon more than anybody in that group. Mayor Bootygig suddenly found his way out of the basement and Whitmer may end up being the dark horse.
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Whitmer or Shapiro I'd have thought (but Gavin is in the game), either way its way too early to pick for 2028. I thought either of them would have been the VP pick for Harris and was v surprised by Waltz, but I wonder now if they both refused as they have their own ambitions.

Who the GOP is going to run is just as interesting.
 
whatithink said:
Whitmer or Shapiro I'd have thought (but Gavin is in the game), either way its way too early to pick for 2028. I thought either of them would have been the VP pick for Harris and was v surprised by Waltz, but I wonder now if they both refused as they have their own ambitions.

Who the GOP is going to run is just as interesting.
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Gavin and Kamala obviously know each other and I don't think there's much love there. Then again, I don't think Obama and Biden had much love, either. I think Gavin is going off the grid a little to reboot his reputation. I despise the guy but, beyond his smarmy style I think he comes across as the most articulate and we know Americans love a good talker. Shapiro I don't know but agree with you on the Walz choice by Harris. Odd.

I have to think Vance is the front runner but Trump has lots of time to soil his chances.
 
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whatithink said:
For sure, there's hyperbole on both sides. A case to watch is the one challenging the EO on voting, that stretches executive power considerably imv, but we'll see.

Sure, the Dems are in a shambles, very similar to the GOP were in 2009. They need something to coalesce around and I expect the GOP will give it to them. There's plenty of time before the mids, just as there was in 2009 - when the GOP gave the Dems a "shellacking" (in 2010).

Signalgate is but one and keep in mind that the Pentagon literally issued a warning about its use the week before. How many other signal groups are out there and what's in them, not to mention the auto delete function and the requirement to keep Federal records? What about Waltz's staff using gmail generally and sending classified materials specifically? I mean FFS, why would anyone in this day and age think that its OK to use personal forms of communication, signal or gmail or whatever, for government business given the crap that's circulated over the last few years. That's either gross incompetence or supreme arrogance, but neither is good and I don't doubt that nefarious actors actively hack these platforms and actively target these same officials, so how much has now been hacked?

Its much broader than that though, how about the GOP mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in classrooms - but the 10 commandments only. Or the book banning due to sex and violence content, but that exempt the bible (only) despite it having more gratuitous sex and violence than the overwhelming majority of the banned books - absolute hypocrisy as a Judge commented recently.
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Yep, the Dems only hope is colossal failure by the Trump administration and not some miraculous rising of the Dem Phoenix. The problem with that is that in many cases Trump failure means American failure. The Tesla Takedown is a prime example of this mentality. Tesla and electric cars, once the darling of the left's Green policy, is now in the crosshairs of the Dem's for the sole reason of their hatred for Musk.

As far as EO's go and their constitutional validity, at least Trump's EO's are an attempt to improve things, and not merely an attempt to buy votes like Biden's student loan forgiveness (use of whataboutism for contrast). Spare me the argument that voter ID is an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters, that's pure bullshit. (You remember when the Dem's cried about the new Georgia laws being obstacles to minority voters, how'd that workout? With record turnout) BTW, if it makes you feel any better, I think Trump is on very shaky legal ground invoking the Alien Enemies Act.

Ironically you criticize hyperbole and in the same post spew it yourself. I'm not a bible scholar, but I don't recall there being detailed graphic descriptions or drawings of sex acts in the bible. I don't see "lay with", "seed", "breasts" and "harlots" as being particularly graphic as opposed to (and this is the tame shit) “perhaps the most important skill you will master as a gay or bi man is the timeless classic, the handjob.” or “Something they don’t teach you in school, is that in order to be able to cum at all, you or your partner may need to finish off with a handy.” Also calling them banned books is hyperbole. We don't call R rated movies, banned movies. Both the books and the movies can be obtained by parents and shared with their children in the privacy of their own home. They're far from banned. That having been said, I firmly believe the bible and concepts of a supreme being are more appropriately discussed, read and analyzed at the the teen age or later. But I'm agnostic so take that with a grain of salt.
 
Slobodan said:
Gavin and Kamala obviously know each other and I don't think there's much love there. Then again, I don't think Obama and Biden had much love, either. I think Gavin is going off the grid a little to reboot his reputation. I despise the guy but, beyond his smarmy style I think he comes across as the most articulate and we know Americans love a good talker. Shapiro I don't know but agree with you on the Walz choice by Harris. Odd.

I have to think Vance is the front runner but Trump has lots of time to soil his chances.
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I doubt Vance would get the nomination. TBH, I'm doubtful he'll last 4 years as VP!
 
watfly said:
Yep, the Dems only hope is colossal failure by the Trump administration and not some miraculous rising of the Dem Phoenix. The problem with that is that in many cases Trump failure means American failure. The Tesla Takedown is a prime example of this mentality. Tesla and electric cars, once the darling of the left's Green policy, is now in the crosshairs of the Dem's for the sole reason of their hatred for Musk.

As far as EO's go and their constitutional validity, at least Trump's EO's are an attempt to improve things, and not merely an attempt to buy votes like Biden's student loan forgiveness (use of whataboutism for contrast). Spare me the argument that voter ID is an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters, that's pure bullshit. (You remember when the Dem's cried about the new Georgia laws being obstacles to minority voters, how'd that workout? With record turnout) BTW, if it makes you feel any better, I think Trump is on very shaky legal ground invoking the Alien Enemies Act.

Ironically you criticize hyperbole and in the same post spew it yourself. I'm not a bible scholar, but I don't recall there being detailed graphic descriptions or drawings of sex acts in the bible. I don't see "lay with", "seed", "breasts" and "harlots" as being particularly graphic as opposed to (and this is the tame shit) “perhaps the most important skill you will master as a gay or bi man is the timeless classic, the handjob.” or “Something they don’t teach you in school, is that in order to be able to cum at all, you or your partner may need to finish off with a handy.” Also calling them banned books is hyperbole. We don't call R rated movies, banned movies. Both the books and the movies can be obtained by parents and shared with their children in the privacy of their own home. They're far from banned. That having been said, I firmly believe the bible and concepts of a supreme being are more appropriately discussed, read and analyzed at the the teen age or later. But I'm agnostic so take that with a grain of salt.
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There doesn't have to be a colossal failure, and yes any admin failure is typically a national failure - that's a shock! Tesla's issues are partly due to Musk political views and activities, but they are also due to the failure of Tesla to bring out a new car, missing commitments from Musk and the competitor car makers bringing out product that is as good and better at a better price point. I don't condone the nonsense attacks on showrooms or personal property, that's criminal and should be treated as such. Boycotts are fair game, and a long held political practice.

Yes, the EOs will play out in courts, along with the premise that we're apparently at war!

Yeah, just murder, rape, incest etc vs hand jobs!
Genesis 19:33-36
2 Samuel 13:11-14
1 Samuel 18:25-27
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Judges 19:22-29
 
whatithink said:
Whitmer or Shapiro I'd have thought (but Gavin is in the game), either way its way too early to pick for 2028. I thought either of them would have been the VP pick for Harris and was v surprised by Waltz, but I wonder now if they both refused as they have their own ambitions.

Who the GOP is going to run is just as interesting.
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I like Shapiro for the Dems, but like you said its a long time between now and 2028. I used to think Jefferies, but his party totally ignored his pleas for their behavior at Trump's address to Congress. It's clear his party has no respect for him. I would think, Newsom, but recent polling suggests otherwise. What he has done with California's budget may be disqualifying. I'm going to bet the field. I think someone who is not on the radar now will be the candidate in 2028. For F's sake Dem's believe AOC and Kamala represent their "core values" the best.

Slobodan said:
Gavin and Kamala obviously know each other and I don't think there's much love there. Then again, I don't think Obama and Biden had much love, either. I think Gavin is going off the grid a little to reboot his reputation. I despise the guy but, beyond his smarmy style I think he comes across as the most articulate and we know Americans love a good talker. Shapiro I don't know but agree with you on the Walz choice by Harris. Odd.

I have to think Vance is the front runner but Trump has lots of time to soil his chances.
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I have to say personality and presentation wise Gavin has some appeal. However, there is something strange going on with all the hand gestures. Did anyone see him on Maher last week?
 
whatithink said:
There doesn't have to be a colossal failure, and yes any admin failure is typically a national failure - that's a shock! Tesla's issues are partly due to Musk political views and activities, but they are also due to the failure of Tesla to bring out a new car, missing commitments from Musk and the competitor car makers bringing out product that is as good and better at a better price point. I don't condone the nonsense attacks on showrooms or personal property, that's criminal and should be treated as such. Boycotts are fair game, and a long held political practice.
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You forgot, butt ugly CyberTruck and autopilot failures. But that's not the subject of the protests, vandalism and the Dems efforts to takedown the company. There also is a huge difference between a downturn (aka regular business obstacles) and failure. The Tesla Y was the 4th best selling vehicle overall last year and the #1 selling sedan. Between this and the other Tesla models, no other electric car manufacturer comes remotely close.

Tesla stock is up to 282 from 254 this morning on news of Musk's resignation, which is solely political and has nothing to do with the other issues your raise.
 
"Ask yourselves, if what Elon Musk and DOGE are finding regarding Social Security fraud and its links to VOTING FRAUD, is there ANYONE who honestly still believes our elections have ever been fair?

Maybe that’s why we hear crickets from CONGRESS or GOVERNORS for that matter, when it comes to fixing our voting systems.

If we DO NOT fix our voting systems, then we may as well give the keys to the U.S. kingdom to the globalist mob.

Sorry, but the level of fraud in our government (TOP TO BOTTOM) is so outrageous, I trust very few people right now in WDC…they don’t want to fix it. They want to keep the THICK PERMAFROST OF CORRUPTION layered over the top of our REPUBLIC so they can remain in power forever.

The historic collision course we’re on if we don’t fix this nonsense that’s been running our government for decades is coming.

There are solutions, none are easy. If they were, someone would have already solved these problems.

@realDonaldTrump these are historic times and they call for historic decisions." General Flynn
 
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