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Check your video, he said they had received 75 of the 175 appropriated, ergo it hadn't been sent. 75 hasn't been sent anywhere and the rest wasn't all intended to be sent to Ukraine, its all in the politifact piece, if you care to read and comprehend. You always have the choice, but rarely seem to use it, weird really. Multiple audits have taken place and one potential fraud of $40M has been uncovered, again in the piece.

I mean, who cares about Ukraine, they're just a useful political foil - let's extort them for $500B while ignoring that other countries have also contributed and collectively contributed more than the US. Let's spread Russian lies by stating that they started the war and that Zelensky is a dictator or that he only has 4% support. I mean, what the absolute fuck are you actually defending.
Is English your first language?
 
I'm on the fence with you looking down at the lunacy on both sides, from shrieking “handouts to everyone” Maxine Waters on on side to crazy, and even more dangerous, far right Christian nationalist Steve Bannon on the other. You are spot on most of your takes, very reasoned and reasonable. However, on this one, a mediator needs to be neutral, and definitely cannot benefit from one side losing. Here, we are demanding 50% of the rare earth minerals from Ukraine for continued support. That is definitely not a mediation. And, you are correct that a mediator will beat up on both sides. In this case, the US is beating up only on one side. I have not heard one negative thing said about the actual aggressor, Putin. This is straight out of the Neville Chamberlain book on negotiation. Nuclear armed Russia is a different cat than Germany, but you don't start giving everything away even before the negotiations start.
Fair points. I see the continued support of Ukraine in trade for the rare minerals as a separate issue from a settlement between Ukraine and Russia. However, Ukraine probably doesn't see it that way and it will likely influence its negotiations.

To your initial comment, the problem is we go from one extreme to the other. We've gone from a do nothing President (either out of competency and/or choice) to a scorched earth President. The citizens end up losing in the battle between Democrats and Republicans trying to beat each other. IMO, (which is supported by polling) its the Democrats that have become more "extreme". Republican's have become less right and Democrats more left.

 
Fair points. I see the continued support of Ukraine in trade for the rare minerals as a separate issue from a settlement between Ukraine and Russia. However, Ukraine probably doesn't see it that way and it will likely influence its negotiations.

To your initial comment, the problem is we go from one extreme to the other. We've gone from a do nothing President (either out of competency and/or choice) to a scorched earth President. The citizens end up losing in the battle between Democrats and Republicans trying to beat each other. IMO, (which is supported by polling) its the Democrats that have become more "extreme". Republican's have become less right and Democrats more left.

It takes two fences to know one
 
I'm on the fence with you looking down at the lunacy on both sides, from shrieking “handouts to everyone” Maxine Waters on on side to crazy, and even more dangerous, far right Christian nationalist Steve Bannon on the other. You are spot on most of your takes, very reasoned and reasonable. However, on this one, a mediator needs to be neutral, and definitely cannot benefit from one side losing. Here, we are demanding 50% of the rare earth minerals from Ukraine for continued support. That is definitely not a mediation. And, you are correct that a mediator will beat up on both sides. In this case, the US is beating up only on one side. I have not heard one negative thing said about the actual aggressor, Putin. This is straight out of the Neville Chamberlain book on negotiation. Nuclear armed Russia is a different cat than Germany, but you don't start giving everything away even before the negotiations start.
Here's the other thing. Trump talks a lot of shit when he's behind the bully pulpit. He was critical of Putin only 30 days ago.


However, when he speaks directly to that person he is more diplomatic (or more of a pussy). He's spoken directly to Putin, I suspect when he speaks directly to Zelensky he will have nicer things to say and report.
 
Fair points. I see the continued support of Ukraine in trade for the rare minerals as a separate issue from a settlement between Ukraine and Russia. However, Ukraine probably doesn't see it that way and it will likely influence its negotiations.

To your initial comment, the problem is we go from one extreme to the other. We've gone from a do nothing President (either out of competency and/or choice) to a scorched earth President. The citizens end up losing in the battle between Democrats and Republicans trying to beat each other. IMO, (which is supported by polling) its the Democrats that have become more "extreme". Republican's have become less right and Democrats more left.

True. Also, it wasn’t long ago at all that RFK Jr, Gabbard and Musk were democrats. That’s a big pull to the left for Republicans. But, the “linear” left and right scale is a simplification that doesn’t really capture the idea that interventionism used to be a pillar of the right. Not so anymore. The Neocons and left are the primary supporters of this now. The only thing that makes sense to me is the left is able to use the money pits to skim off funds for their efforts to bring in future voters.
 
True. Also, it wasn’t long ago at all that RFK Jr, Gabbard and Musk were democrats. That’s a big pull to the left for Republicans. But, the “linear” left and right scale is a simplification that doesn’t really capture the idea that interventionism used to be a pillar of the right. Not so anymore. The Neocons and left are the primary supporters of this now. The only thing that makes sense to me is the left is able to use the money pits to skim off funds for their efforts to bring in future voters.
I shouldn’t neglect increasing personal wealth as a motivation. There appears to be a lot of that among members of congress.
 
I shouldn’t neglect increasing personal wealth as a motivation. There appears to be a lot of that among members of congress.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of notable politicians and if they earned the bulk of their net worth prior to or after becoming elected to office. Civil service seems more service like and honorable when your not relying on your elected position for your livelihood.
 
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of notable politicians and if they earned the bulk of their net worth prior to or after becoming elected to office. Civil service seems more service like and honorable when your not relying on your elected position for your livelihood.
Show me a man who gets rich by being a politician, and I’ll show you a crook.
- Harry Truman

It may be hard to prove if money is laundered through book deals, speaking deals, art sales, non-profits, etc. I’d be surprised if there isn’t some solid evidence out there. Greed tends to make people careless.
 
When has Trump expressed support for Russia attacking Ukraine? Criticizing Ukraine is not support for Russia. Appeasement was Husker's word, not mine, as I made abundantly clear.
"...mediator..."

T started his "mediation" by proposing to give Russia everything they have been asking for for years.
 
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