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[Bruddah IZ]

That is one way to absolve yourself of responsibility for your irresponsible behavior. If it’s legal, then I should do it because I want to, regardless of the impact it will have on the lives of others. The American Way.

There ya go Hitler. I knew you would come back around. Hanapaa!!

 

[watfly]

Building hospital capacity does not equal socialized medicine, but good try. But, to take your spin on things, if we build hospital capacity to match socialized healthcare requirements, there would likely be less hospital beds. Just ask any of your Canadian buddies. They rank at the bottom for available beds and staff. They spend almost 12% of their GDP on healthcare, 2nd behind Switzerland.

But you would make a great journalist for The Atlantic or a great commentator on MsDnC.

Hospital capacity and quality of healthcare are huge factors in the crisis. NY has lost 32% of its bed capacity since 2000 and it has the worst rated hospitals for safety and quality of care in the nation. Why? Because in order to balance their out of control budgets NY governors have slashed Medicaid funding. Cuomo has proposed another significant Medicaid cut of 2.5 billion in the middle of the pandemic. Obviously this has had a significant impact on NY's outrageous Covid death per capita rate.

I don't know how California sorts out overall with bed capacity, but in San Diego it seem we have excellent capacity and quality of healthcare. I firmly believe that's why SD County has a relatively low Covid death rate compared to other California and national counties despite SD's high population rate.

BTW There are a number of studies that conclude that population density has little impact on deaths per capita.

 

[happy9]

Hospital capacity and quality of healthcare are huge factors in the crisis. NY has lost 32% of its bed capacity since 2000 and it has the worst rated hospitals for safety and quality of care in the nation. Why? Because in order to balance their out of control budgets NY governors have slashed Medicaid funding. Cuomo has proposed another significant Medicaid cut of 2.5 billion in the middle of the pandemic. Obviously this has had a significant impact on NY's outrageous Covid death per capita rate.

I don't know how California sorts out overall with bed capacity, but in San Diego it seem we have excellent capacity and quality of healthcare. I firmly believe that's why SD County has a relatively low Covid death rate compared to other California and national counties despite SD's high population rate.

BTW There are a number of studies that conclude that population density has little impact on deaths per capita.

Socializing anything diminishes quality and capacity. Take a deeper dive into "free" university education in some European countries. While mostly free, not everyone is eligible. Kids are weeded out very early and are spun off into alternate pathways. "Socialism" should be renamed "rationism" to make it more palatable for many. The link below basically says that CA has 1/3 the bed capacity per capita compared to Poland.

Surging Virus Exposes California’s Weak Spot: A Lack of Hospital Beds and Staff (Published 2020)

Many of the state’s hospitals have maintained lower numbers of beds in part to limit the length of patient stays and lower costs. But that approach is now being tested.

www.nytimes.com

 

[EOTL]

Hospital capacity and quality of healthcare are huge factors in the crisis. NY has lost 32% of its bed capacity since 2000 and it has the worst rated hospitals for safety and quality of care in the nation. Why? Because in order to balance their out of control budgets NY governors have slashed Medicaid funding. Cuomo has proposed another significant Medicaid cut of 2.5 billion in the middle of the pandemic. Obviously this has had a significant impact on NY's outrageous Covid death per capita rate.

I don't know how California sorts out overall with bed capacity, but in San Diego it seem we have excellent capacity and quality of healthcare. I firmly believe that's why SD County has a relatively low Covid death rate compared to other California and national counties despite SD's high population rate.

There are a number of studies that conclude that population density has little impact on deaths per capita.

What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.

 

[happy9]

Ha ha. Making the government responsible for building and paying for hospital beds is exactly socialized medicine. Gosh, it’s Gavin’s fault for having big government, and also Gavin’s fault for not having big enough government. I get it.
Do you want to know another interesting fact, which is that the U.S. also has one of the highest death rates in the world due to drunk driving. Like I said, the American Way. Don’t give a s**t about others. It’s your fault for being on the road where there there is always a risk of drunk drivers. It’s also your fault for going to the grocery store or living in a nursing home where there is a risk of getting covid. Right?

You crack me up. Please audition.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.

There's that one size fits all that you people like again. You argue regionally but support that argument with national numbers. Nice job Hitler.

 

[EOTL]

Socializing anything diminishes quality and capacity. Take a deeper dive into "free" university education in some European countries. While mostly free, not everyone is eligible. Kids are weeded out very early and are spun off into alternate pathways. "Socialism" should be renamed "rationism" to make it more palatable for many. The link below basically says that CA has 1/3 the bed capacity per capita compared to Poland.

Surging Virus Exposes California’s Weak Spot: A Lack of Hospital Beds and Staff (Published 2020)

Many of the state’s hospitals have maintained lower numbers of beds in part to limit the length of patient stays and lower costs. But that approach is now being tested.

www.nytimes.com

If you are so opposed to socializing medicine, then why are you supporting it? A few posts ago you were blaming the state government for not throwing more money into healthcare, and now you’re claiming that government involvement only makes it worse? Or are you saying at your increased taxpayer dollars should simply go to subsidizing private healthcare, so hopefully they will deliver more and better healthcare, as if that still isn’t socialism?

 

[watfly]

What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.

Not blaming Newsom for lack of hospitals, but you knew that, because that's what you do.

Maybe this was part of the problem.

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

The state's supply of mobile hospitals, ventilators and N95 respirators would have helped in the coronavirus outbreak, but the state got rid of them years ago.

www.latimes.com

BTW California doesn't have a tax revenue problem, it has a spending and fraud problem. Eliminate the fraud in our unemployment and workers comp systems alone and we likely could have afforded emergency response hospitals.

 

[EOTL]

There's that one size fits all that you people like again. You argue regionally but support that argument with national numbers. Nice job Hitler.

There’s really no getting around discussing national numbers when we are discussing a national soccer tournament. Duh.

Still, there is no one-size-fits-all policy. If your pea for a brain thinks there is, please identify the specific statute, regulation, or executive order.

 

[EOTL]

Not blaming Newsom for lack of hospitals, but you knew that, because that's what you do.

Maybe this was part of the problem.

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

The state's supply of mobile hospitals, ventilators and N95 respirators would have helped in the coronavirus outbreak, but the state got rid of them years ago.

www.latimes.com

BTW California doesn't have a tax revenue problem, it has a spending and fraud problem. Eliminate the fraud in our unemployment and workers comp systems alone and we likely could have afforded emergency response hospitals.

Dude, you’re woozy from the beatdown I am inflicting on you. There is no debating that you were blaming Newsom for the lack of beds less than an hour ago:

Actually, talk to Gavy about them hospital bed thingies. I'm pretty sure Poland has more beds available than the mighty state of CA does - and that's before COVID. There would be less pucker factoring going on in your healthcare community if the gubment of Kalifornia knew how to manage budgets and administrate hospitals. Doesn't it piss you off that your tax dollars are being mismanaged and now you could potentially suffer if you step outside of your enclosed parlor?

 

[EOTL]

I am so glad that everyone here seems to agree that the government should take over responsibility for healthcare. Personally, I think we would be better served if it were done at a federal level, but whatever. Baby steps.

 

[watfly]

Dude, you’re woozy from the beatdown I am inflicting on you. There is no debating that you were blaming Newsom for the lack of beds less than an hour ago:

Who's woozy? Watfly and happy9 aren't the same person. I know anyone that disagrees with you are all the same to you so I can understand your confusion.

 

[EOTL]

Who's woozy? Watfly and happy9 aren't the same person. I know anyone that disagrees with you are all the same to you so I can understand your confusion.

You’re right about that. Feel free to forward my post on to your buddy. I’ll let the two of you figure out whether Gavin is responsible for the lack of beds. Let me know when you reach a consensus.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

That is one way to absolve yourself of responsibility for your irresponsible behavior. If it’s legal, then I should do it because I want to, regardless of the impact it will have on the lives of others. The American Way.

So you've never had a couple glasses of Chardonnay and crawled home in your Prius?

 

[EOTL]

So you've never had a couple glasses of Chardonnay and crawled home in your Prius?

To get in the spirit of the upcoming AZ Surf tournament, today’s Herman Cain award goes to (former) AZ resident Mark Urquiza.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.

I guess we should have foreseen what a douchebag Newsom was by breaking his own rules for the proletariat. And tell me, who pays for all the tax dollars necessary for "socialized" medicine and stimulus money when businesses close?

 

[EOTL]

To get in the spirit of the upcoming AZ Surf tournament, today’s Herman Cain award goes to (former) AZ resident Mark Urquiza.

And since I will probably be tied up most of tomorrow, tomorrow’s HC award goes to (former) CA megachurch pastor Bob Bryant

 

[Scott m Shurson]

To get in the spirit of the upcoming AZ Surf tournament, today’s Herman Cain award goes to (former) AZ resident Mark Urquiza.

Did he have a maskless dinner with Gavin? So to review, Mark followed instructions and stayed home when he was told. I wonder if he thought it was okay to go back out like Gavin did.

But you're the blame expert... what say you?

 

[happy9]

What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.

It is his fault, he's in charge. But in typical snowflaky ways, he will sidestep responsibility.

You’re right about that. Feel free to forward my post on to your buddy. I’ll let the two of you figure out whether Gavin is responsible for the lack of beds. Let me know when you reach a consensus.

Gavy is 100% responsible. He's the person in charge. As the elected official, it's in his wheelhouse. Are you mad that CA has less beds per capita than Poland?

Watch your head, don't hit the light fixture in your bubble as you do your victory lap.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

And since I will probably be tied up most of tomorrow, tomorrow’s HC award goes to (former) CA megachurch pastor Bob Bryant

Are you hitting an adoption agency? Gotta be tough ignoring the "you don't have a kid in soccer so why are you here" questions, eh?

Don't forget your mask.