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happy9 said:
Socializing anything diminishes quality and capacity. Take a deeper dive into "free" university education in some European countries. While mostly free, not everyone is eligible. Kids are weeded out very early and are spun off into alternate pathways. "Socialism" should be renamed "rationism" to make it more palatable for many. The link below basically says that CA has 1/3 the bed capacity per capita compared to Poland.

www.nytimes.com

Surging Virus Exposes California’s Weak Spot: A Lack of Hospital Beds and Staff (Published 2020)

Many of the state’s hospitals have maintained lower numbers of beds in part to limit the length of patient stays and lower costs. But that approach is now being tested.
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If you are so opposed to socializing medicine, then why are you supporting it? A few posts ago you were blaming the state government for not throwing more money into healthcare, and now you’re claiming that government involvement only makes it worse? Or are you saying at your increased taxpayer dollars should simply go to subsidizing private healthcare, so hopefully they will deliver more and better healthcare, as if that still isn’t socialism?
 
EOTL said:
What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.
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Not blaming Newsom for lack of hospitals, but you knew that, because that's what you do.

Maybe this was part of the problem.
www.latimes.com

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

The state's supply of mobile hospitals, ventilators and N95 respirators would have helped in the coronavirus outbreak, but the state got rid of them years ago.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

BTW California doesn't have a tax revenue problem, it has a spending and fraud problem. Eliminate the fraud in our unemployment and workers comp systems alone and we likely could have afforded emergency response hospitals.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
There's that one size fits all that you people like again. You argue regionally but support that argument with national numbers. Nice job Hitler.
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There’s really no getting around discussing national numbers when we are discussing a national soccer tournament. Duh.

Still, there is no one-size-fits-all policy. If your pea for a brain thinks there is, please identify the specific statute, regulation, or executive order.
 
watfly said:
Not blaming Newsom for lack of hospitals, but you knew that, because that's what you do.

Maybe this was part of the problem.
www.latimes.com

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

The state's supply of mobile hospitals, ventilators and N95 respirators would have helped in the coronavirus outbreak, but the state got rid of them years ago.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

BTW California doesn't have a tax revenue problem, it has a spending and fraud problem. Eliminate the fraud in our unemployment and workers comp systems alone and we likely could have afforded emergency response hospitals.
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Dude, you’re woozy from the beatdown I am inflicting on you. There is no debating that you were blaming Newsom for the lack of beds less than an hour ago:

happy9 said:
Actually, talk to Gavy about them hospital bed thingies. I'm pretty sure Poland has more beds available than the mighty state of CA does - and that's before COVID. There would be less pucker factoring going on in your healthcare community if the gubment of Kalifornia knew how to manage budgets and administrate hospitals. Doesn't it piss you off that your tax dollars are being mismanaged and now you could potentially suffer if you step outside of your enclosed parlor?
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I am so glad that everyone here seems to agree that the government should take over responsibility for healthcare. Personally, I think we would be better served if it were done at a federal level, but whatever. Baby steps.
 
EOTL said:
Dude, you’re woozy from the beatdown I am inflicting on you. There is no debating that you were blaming Newsom for the lack of beds less than an hour ago:
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Who's woozy? Watfly and happy9 aren't the same person. I know anyone that disagrees with you are all the same to you so I can understand your confusion.
 
watfly said:
Who's woozy? Watfly and happy9 aren't the same person. I know anyone that disagrees with you are all the same to you so I can understand your confusion.
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You’re right about that. Feel free to forward my post on to your buddy. I’ll let the two of you figure out whether Gavin is responsible for the lack of beds. Let me know when you reach a consensus.
 
EOTL said:
That is one way to absolve yourself of responsibility for your irresponsible behavior. If it’s legal, then I should do it because I want to, regardless of the impact it will have on the lives of others. The American Way.
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So you've never had a couple glasses of Chardonnay and crawled home in your Prius?
 
EOTL said:
What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.
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I guess we should have foreseen what a douchebag Newsom was by breaking his own rules for the proletariat. And tell me, who pays for all the tax dollars necessary for "socialized" medicine and stimulus money when businesses close?
 
EOTL said:
To get in the spirit of the upcoming AZ Surf tournament, today’s Herman Cain award goes to (former) AZ resident Mark Urquiza.
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And since I will probably be tied up most of tomorrow, tomorrow’s HC award goes to (former) CA megachurch pastor Bob Bryant
 
EOTL said:
To get in the spirit of the upcoming AZ Surf tournament, today’s Herman Cain award goes to (former) AZ resident Mark Urquiza.
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Did he have a maskless dinner with Gavin? So to review, Mark followed instructions and stayed home when he was told. I wonder if he thought it was okay to go back out like Gavin did.

But you're the blame expert... what say you?
 
EOTL said:
What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.

So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.

I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.
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It is his fault, he's in charge. But in typical snowflaky ways, he will sidestep responsibility.
EOTL said:
You’re right about that. Feel free to forward my post on to your buddy. I’ll let the two of you figure out whether Gavin is responsible for the lack of beds. Let me know when you reach a consensus.
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Gavy is 100% responsible. He's the person in charge. As the elected official, it's in his wheelhouse. Are you mad that CA has less beds per capita than Poland?

Watch your head, don't hit the light fixture in your bubble as you do your victory lap.
 
EOTL said:
And since I will probably be tied up most of tomorrow, tomorrow’s HC award goes to (former) CA megachurch pastor Bob Bryant
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Are you hitting an adoption agency? Gotta be tough ignoring the "you don't have a kid in soccer so why are you here" questions, eh?

Don't forget your mask.
 
EOTL said:
There’s really no getting around discussing national numbers when we are discussing a national soccer tournament. Duh.

Still, there is no one-size-fits-all policy. If your pea for a brain thinks there is, please identify the specific statute, regulation, or executive order.
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Not all 50 states are represented at Surf Cup. But you want to have a discussion as if all 50 states are represented at Surf Cup with your false 3k deaths a day. Please continue.
 
happy9 said:
It is his fault, he's in charge. But in typical snowflaky ways, he will sidestep responsibility.

Gavy is 100% responsible. He's the person in charge. As the elected official, it's in his wheelhouse. Are you mad that CA has less beds per capita than Poland?

Watch your head, don't hit the light fixture in your bubble as you do your victory lap.
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Did you clear your support of socialism with @watfly yet? ‘Cuz I’m getting the feeling he thinks it is Gavin’s fault for being too involved in healthcare.
 
EOTL said:
Did you clear your support of socialism with @watfly yet? ‘Cuz I’m getting the feeling he thinks it is Gavin’s fault for being too involved in healthcare.
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I'm more concerned with the extent of your head injury. I'd recommend placing direct pressure with a hemostatic bandage VS going to the ER.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Not all 50 states are represented at Surf Cup. But you want to have a discussion as if all 50 states are represented at Surf Cup with your false 3k deaths a day. Please continue.
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Sure, only about 8 or so are directly involved. But a lot of participants are also going through airports, which impacts all 50 states. You do understand that Covid is transmitted, right? And that people also travel from real states to ones that don’t matter to most of us, right? In fact, the Dakotas and Iowa are really loving how they’re disposing of all their older residents right now. I hear that covid just spontaneously generated there.
 
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