Comparing the U.S. favorably to impoverished third world countries is not the great argument that you think it is. Funny how y’all went from rah rah America is the best to rah rah America is better than Bangladesh.
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Comparing the U.S. favorably to impoverished third world countries is not the great argument that you think it is. Funny how y’all went from rah rah America is the best to rah rah America is better than Bangladesh.
Desert Hound
DA
I am simply pointing out that when you state 200 countries are doing better vs the US, you have no idea what you are talking about. And I gave you some reasons and examples why.
But continue on pretending those other countries are doing better to continue your argument with the posters above.
So we should continue these policies post COVID since they’re so beneficial for society? I hope the answer to that question is obvious.
To quote Gavin’s baseball analogy from his press conference, yesterday. “Unlike baseball, you don’t get credit for saves”
Why does it have to the American way. I a big fan of the good ol USA and take some offense to your obtuse rhetoric. And not that I'm looking for you to say the pledge of allegiance or anything. Disregarding the welfare and lives of other is a human condition. How many times have you done it? How many times have you read a text or texted while driving? How many times have you had 1 beer or 1 glass of wine then driven home? Within that context, does that make you patriotic? If you haven't done any of these, then you are on a Mother Teresa level like no other.
You don't have to answer any of these questions, but you get my drift.
Actually, talk to Gavy about them hospital bed thingies. I'm pretty sure Poland has more beds available than the mighty state of CA does - and that's before COVID. There would be less pucker factoring going on in your healthcare community if the gubment of Kalifornia knew how to manage budgets and administrate hospitals. Doesn't it piss you off that your tax dollars are being mismanaged and now you could potentially suffer if you step outside of your enclosed parlor?
Someone read a text while driving, so therefore it’s completely fine to spread covid at will and kill as many people as you like. That is not the great argument that you think it is. Rationalizing selfish, irresponsible behavior because someone else engaged in different selfish irresponsible behavior is a pretty messed up argument.
BTW, how many people die every year in drunk driving and texting accidents? Is it 3,000 a day?
Sincerely,
Mother Theresa
You heard it here first. @happy9 came out in support of socialized medicine! Finally we are making some societal progress! I actually agree with you that the U.S. wouldn’t be in such a mess with Covid right now if we had universal healthcare. In fact, that would completely eliminate your buddy’s concern that people are dying because they lost their healthcare with their job.
At least get her name right. Who's rationalizing anything? I inquired about your generalization. Are you telling me that you've never texted while driving? Is their a British way? A German Way? A European way?
Building hospital capacity does not equal socialized medicine, but good try. But, to take your spin on things, if we build hospital capacity to match socialized healthcare requirements, there would likely be less hospital beds. Just ask any of your Canadian buddies. They rank at the bottom for available beds and staff. They spend almost 12% of their GDP on healthcare, 2nd behind Switzerland.
But you would make a great journalist for The Atlantic or a great commentator on MsDnC.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Your modeling is not factual. Total alleged covid deaths are 326,322 and yesterdays death rate is 1491. 19,072,721 cases nationwide puts us at 1.7% IFR.
Ha ha. Making the government responsible for building and paying for hospital beds is exactly socialized medicine. Gosh, it’s Gavin’s fault for having big government, and also Gavin’s fault for not having big enough government. I get it.
Do you want to know another interesting fact, which is that the U.S. also has one of the highest death rates in the world due to drunk driving. Like I said, the American Way. Don’t give a s**t about others. It’s your fault for being on the road where there there is always a risk of drunk drivers. It’s also your fault for going to the grocery store or living in a nursing home where there is a risk of getting covid. Right?
Bruddah IZ
DA
I think you just made a case for why AZ hosted Surf Cup.
Like I said earlier, going to a kiddie soccer tournament in AZ because “only” 326,323 are dead so far due to covid and another 3,000 a day is not the great argument you think it is.
That is one way to absolve yourself of responsibility for your irresponsible behavior. If it’s legal, then I should do it because I want to, regardless of the impact it will have on the lives of others. The American Way.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Back to the one size fits all?
Bruddah IZ
DA
There ya go Hitler. I knew you would come back around. Hanapaa!!
Hospital capacity and quality of healthcare are huge factors in the crisis. NY has lost 32% of its bed capacity since 2000 and it has the worst rated hospitals for safety and quality of care in the nation. Why? Because in order to balance their out of control budgets NY governors have slashed Medicaid funding. Cuomo has proposed another significant Medicaid cut of 2.5 billion in the middle of the pandemic. Obviously this has had a significant impact on NY's outrageous Covid death per capita rate.
I don't know how California sorts out overall with bed capacity, but in San Diego it seem we have excellent capacity and quality of healthcare. I firmly believe that's why SD County has a relatively low Covid death rate compared to other California and national counties despite SD's high population rate.
BTW There are a number of studies that conclude that population density has little impact on deaths per capita.
Socializing anything diminishes quality and capacity. Take a deeper dive into "free" university education in some European countries. While mostly free, not everyone is eligible. Kids are weeded out very early and are spun off into alternate pathways. "Socialism" should be renamed "rationism" to make it more palatable for many. The link below basically says that CA has 1/3 the bed capacity per capita compared to Poland.
Surging Virus Exposes California’s Weak Spot: A Lack of Hospital Beds and Staff (Published 2020)
Many of the state’s hospitals have maintained lower numbers of beds in part to limit the length of patient stays and lower costs. But that approach is now being tested.
What are you talking about? Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine.
So now it’s the fault of counties and cities for not having enough beds, not Newsom? Or is Newsom doing a great job in SD? Dude, your brains are scrambled. Whose taxpayer dollars are supposed to pay for all this extra hospital infrastructure anyway? And should Newsom have foreseen how stupid so many Californians would be in a pandemic (and predict the scope of it) so that Californians would be paying for all these empty hospital beds in anticipation of maybe possibly having a pandemic? Shoot, if the pandemic never happened, you would be screaming bloody murder over the obscene costs to have so many empty beds just in case they became necessary for the first time in over a century.
I get it. It is Gavin Newsom’s fault regardless of anything. That is a Way to avoid personal responsibility for your role in those 350,000 deaths plus another 3,000 a day. In fact, it is the American Way.
You crack me up. Please audition.
Bruddah IZ
DA
There's that one size fits all that you people like again. You argue regionally but support that argument with national numbers. Nice job Hitler.