Surf Cup's Fate

remember when there were only two maybe three tournaments worth playing, now people are so thirsty theres flight three teams being accepted against academy teams and vice versa....
its sad that its come to this, but this will pass and normality will return .
 
Frank said:
CalSouth came out and is not authorizing teams to go to this. Teams insurance will not apply and therefore I am not sure coaches and their clubs will do this.
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First I’ve heard, and mostly big name clubs playing. We haven’t been told we can’t play by our club. Desperate times, desperate measures?
 
46n2 said:
remember when there were only two maybe three tournaments worth playing, now people are so thirsty theres flight three teams being accepted against academy teams and vice versa....
its sad that its come to this, but this will pass and normality will return .
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Sure. By 2022
 
Frank said:
CalSouth came out and is not authorizing teams to go to this. Teams insurance will not apply and therefore I am not sure coaches and their clubs will do this.
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You are 100% correct.

Sign the waiver and your good to go. Good to hear CalSouth is actually doing something, even if it’s basically the same nothing they’ve done over the past 9 months. If you don’t have your own insurance, you may want to weigh the risk reward.

Otherwise, play on!
 
This was sent by surf this morning to our team manager:

We were surprised by the City Council decision to cancel all tournaments in Phoenix for the foreseeable future as this really came out of nowhere. The ECNL event held in mid-November went off smoothly and without any issues. There has been no evidence that outdoor youth sporting events are super-spreader events or that they contribute to the rise in COVID cases within a city.

That being said, the city made the decision and now we have to take a moment to have a few discussions about Surf Cup. My inbox is flooded by people asking what's happening with the event. Please know that my communications will be with ALL accepted teams, not individual parents, managers or coaches. No one will have any information before anyone else.

We are sensitive to the travel arrangements that families have/are making but we need a little time to have discussions and explore options as we truly feel that these players need this event for more than just the soccer portion of what it brings but also for their physical and mental well being.
The goal is to have a decision, and communicate that decision, by Friday, December 4th. A knee-jerk reaction or panicking to the City Council decision isn't the best way to manage this. We do have options. Still in AZ. Still close to Phoenix but not in Phoenix. We are working with those field owners as we speak and will have a plan in place, or a decision soon and I will communicate that as soon as we have it.

We continue to remain committed to having an event for these players. The event has actually become more important as these children have lost so much since COVID became a reality and they need something to look forward to that will bring smiles and laughter back to them after all they have been through.

Personally, I ask that you please give us today to sort through all of this and withhold the emails until I can communicate directly with everyone what the plan is. I know everyone is eager to know the plan and I won't withhold any information any longer than necessary.
Please, keep your fingers and toes crossed and I will be in touch as soon as possible.

We appreciate your support and your willingness to hang in there with us through these challenges as we are all wanting to do something special for our children!



I figured they would exhaust all options before officially saying it's cancelled. I think it still get cancelled but never say never...
 
soccer4us said:
This was sent by surf this morning to our team manager:

We were surprised by the City Council decision to cancel all tournaments in Phoenix for the foreseeable future as this really came out of nowhere. The ECNL event held in mid-November went off smoothly and without any issues. There has been no evidence that outdoor youth sporting events are super-spreader events or that they contribute to the rise in COVID cases within a city.

That being said, the city made the decision and now we have to take a moment to have a few discussions about Surf Cup. My inbox is flooded by people asking what's happening with the event. Please know that my communications will be with ALL accepted teams, not individual parents, managers or coaches. No one will have any information before anyone else.

We are sensitive to the travel arrangements that families have/are making but we need a little time to have discussions and explore options as we truly feel that these players need this event for more than just the soccer portion of what it brings but also for their physical and mental well being.
The goal is to have a decision, and communicate that decision, by Friday, December 4th. A knee-jerk reaction or panicking to the City Council decision isn't the best way to manage this. We do have options. Still in AZ. Still close to Phoenix but not in Phoenix. We are working with those field owners as we speak and will have a plan in place, or a decision soon and I will communicate that as soon as we have it.

We continue to remain committed to having an event for these players. The event has actually become more important as these children have lost so much since COVID became a reality and they need something to look forward to that will bring smiles and laughter back to them after all they have been through.

Personally, I ask that you please give us today to sort through all of this and withhold the emails until I can communicate directly with everyone what the plan is. I know everyone is eager to know the plan and I won't withhold any information any longer than necessary.
Please, keep your fingers and toes crossed and I will be in touch as soon as possible.

We appreciate your support and your willingness to hang in there with us through these challenges as we are all wanting to do something special for our children!



I figured they would exhaust all options before officially saying it's cancelled. I think it still get cancelled but never say never...
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That's a solid response. I just don't know about the optics for Surf moving forward by securing fields outside city limits. Surf is effectively a guest in Arizona and by skirting the intent of the law (flawed as it may be) they could be burning bridges for any future events or relationships in Phoenix or AZ. Personally, I hope Surf gives the middle finger to Phoenix and proceeds with the tournament in the neighboring communities.
 
oh canada said:
So you don't know jack. Otherwise, you'd share details to help families make fully informed decisions.
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You made your bubble isolation decision a long while back so obviously you are very informed and providing the forum with wonderful tidbits of information. The rest of us are just looking forward to a great event with proper safety protocols in place. They have terrific venues for soccer in Arizona dont they? Going to enjoy some fun family activities like horseback riding also while we are there and yes, I'll make sure we ride 6 feet apart and each horse has his mask on. I wonder if any college coaches from out of state will be there though. Kid did an ID clinic there couple months back and at least 15 coaches there for the session. Let me know if you want some video links after we enjoy another great surf tournament.
 
watfly said:
That's a solid response. I just don't know about the optics for Surf moving forward by securing fields outside city limits. Surf is effectively a guest in Arizona and by skirting the intent of the law (flawed as it may be) they could be burning bridges for any future events or relationships in Phoenix or AZ. Personally, I hope Surf gives the middle finger to Phoenix and proceeds with the tournament in the neighboring communities.
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They may need to cut out some brackets to make it fit.

It would make sense to run something for U15 and older and tell us youngers to wait for next year.

I’m hoping they don’t keep the top brackets and leave out the 2nd and 3rd tier olders. Too many kids/parents who need new video because they are worried about getting onto a college team.
 
watfly said:
That's a solid response. I just don't know about the optics for Surf moving forward by securing fields outside city limits. Surf is effectively a guest in Arizona and by skirting the intent of the law (flawed as it may be) they could be burning bridges for any future events or relationships in Phoenix or AZ. Personally, I hope Surf gives the middle finger to Phoenix and proceeds with the tournament in the neighboring communities.
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Now, how much do we want to believe it's more about the kids than making up money, that's a different discussion! Overall, I agree. A good statement and they are trying everything. Other question is are enough AZ cities willing to rent fields out to a guest so they can host a tournament/make money especially when majority of teams are probably out of state. I'd be surprised
 
soccer4us said:
Now, how much do we want to believe it's more about the kids than making up money, that's a different discussion! Overall, I agree. A good statement and they are trying everything. Other question is are enough AZ cities willing to rent fields out to a guest so they can host a tournament/make money especially when majority of teams are probably out of state. I'd be surprised
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Desert Super Cup this past weekend had fields in multiple cities (Phoenix, Scottsdale & Mesa). It had a majority of out of state teams. Its run by Rated Sports Group, not an AZ company.
 
soccer4us said:
Now, how much do we want to believe it's more about the kids than making up money, that's a different discussion! Overall, I agree. A good statement and they are trying everything. Other question is are enough AZ cities willing to rent fields out to a guest so they can host a tournament/make money especially when majority of teams are probably out of state. I'd be surprised
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Despite their impassioned plea for the kids, no question that money is a big driver (maybe truth be told the only driver); however, I don't care what Surf's true motives are, I just like a good middle finger to government overreach. To me, Surf hosting the tourney and all these kids and parents participating is the ultimate act of civil disobedience...much better than burning shit down.
 
Lavey29 said:
You made your bubble isolation decision a long while back so obviously you are very informed and providing the forum with wonderful tidbits of information. The rest of us are just looking forward to a great event with proper safety protocols in place. They have terrific venues for soccer in Arizona dont they? Going to enjoy some fun family activities like horseback riding also while we are there and yes, I'll make sure we ride 6 feet apart and each horse has his mask on. I wonder if any college coaches from out of state will be there though. Kid did an ID clinic there couple months back and at least 15 coaches there for the session. Let me know if you want some video links after we enjoy another great surf tournament.
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Further proving my point. Your posts are uninformed, meaningless and a waste of time to write or read. Btw, two of my kids' teams are currently registered for Surf Cup and planning to play until a couple weeks ago when the numbers started to spike.

Your failure to comprehend the value of this thread--keeping those of us outside the Surf Cup inner-circle informed--is baffling. Because of this thread (and posts starting a week + ago in another thread), all of us knew Phoenix cancelled at the same time Surf learned. That's a good thing, especially given their lack of transparency leading up to the prior two Surf Cup dates. Makes me wonder if you or someone related is in that inner-circle. Your post reads like a promo piece for the event. Even the "college coaches" canard thrown in. If you didn't know, D1 in-person recruiting has been grounded since Spring and the ban was recently extended into 2021 (I don't need to be reminded there are also D2 and 3 coaches.)

When California goes on full lockdown in a matter of days (regrettably), maybe then Surf will finally have the good sense to give up on their revenue quest and just wait till next year. Youth soccer is their business and livelihood. That doesn't mean it has to be all of ours.
 
Lavey29 said:
You made your bubble isolation decision a long while back so obviously you are very informed and providing the forum with wonderful tidbits of information. The rest of us are just looking forward to a great event with proper safety protocols in place. They have terrific venues for soccer in Arizona dont they? Going to enjoy some fun family activities like horseback riding also while we are there and yes, I'll make sure we ride 6 feet apart and each horse has his mask on. I wonder if any college coaches from out of state will be there though. Kid did an ID clinic there couple months back and at least 15 coaches there for the session. Let me know if you want some video links after we enjoy another great surf tournament.
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division 2 and 3 coaches can still recruit. I know several kids who want to go D1 and need film in order to be seen since those coaches can’t be at games or ID clinics.
 
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