Surf Cup's Fate

[full90]

Blues has 13 players at Stanford and UCLA alone. 13. Stanford does not have a single CA player who did not play at a big club. UCLA has 5, but really only 3 since there are two PSV players and that guy has tons of cred and is a queenmaker.

That said, the true power of a place like Blues are for those not at the Stanford/UCLA level. Things are much harder for kids at the next tier, and also for the likes of mid to lower level P5 schools. If you play at Blues and Baker recommends you to the CO coach, they’re taking you over the 1000 people who send emails with videos. Period. Believe what you want, I enjoy the increasing desperation in those parents who fail to listen and think emails and videos are the way.

you have no idea what you’re talking about. Each time you post you show your ignorance more.

the Colorado coach isn’t taking a kid based on bakers word. Dude. Just stop.

good players get found. Playing at a high profile club helps because you get more chances to be in front of coaches. But great players come out of lots of places. When a club coach calls a college coach and says I have a kid who is good and interested the college coach says ok thanks I’ll try and watch them. That’s it. Colleges won’t even take walk ons based on someones word.

parents don’t fret if you’re kid isn’t at a big club. Focus on getting better, having fun and finding ways to get in front of coaches. If the kid is good the coaches will find them. I’ve been a coach, know coaches and have seen it over and over and over. Work hard have fun and be relentless in getting better.

 

[MSK357]

Seriously, you just drop in to try to shit on me. Go away. Wow, the Scottsdale Hilton Garden Inn is going to have record numbers! Wowwwweeeeee!!!! Everybody go to Surf!!!!!!!!!

I feel embarrassed for you

 

[Spfister]

Certainly waters down the competition. And that's not meant to cast shade on non ECNL/GA teams but competition does matter. We will see how the socal ECNL/GA teams shakeout.

In the near term, level of competition doesn't really matter to Surf. What matters is getting the tournament in . They'll keep their elite status once they are back on a regular tournament schedule. In spite of what anyone thinks about them and if conditions permit, every top club in CA, AZ, and from around the country will enter the next iteration of Surf. I don't wish for them to go away permanently, they are a vital part of the soccer scene in the greater SW.

Competition doesn’t matter so much When you haven’t played a game in 8 months. Our boys are just happy to be able to play I don’t think they care about the competition.

 

[GT45]

For the most part, you don't get it. Here is another potential nail in the coffin for Surf. Peoria is a rather conservative city, anti lockdown, and pro business. I don't know the details, but I'm sure Surf asked about Peoria fields, they have a few really nice facilities that have been used this year for State League and by the DA in the past. They also are hoping that Spring training, down the road, happens. They are insulating themselves.

Sometimes it's better to abide by the Should VS Could principle. We will see what happens.

Peoria closes community center, halts city activities as COVID-19 cases rise

The city of Peoria is closing certain city facilities and activities in response a surge of coronavirus cases around the state.

ktar.com

No you don't get it. My post was about your negativity. And, how do you respond? With more. Go back to an AZ board. We don't need your negative attitude.

 

[Footy30]

What about legends, strikers, arsenal, rebels etc.....

LAFC SLammers, Legends, Strikers and West Coast are all out
Not sure about Rebels or Arsenal

 

[NewUser27]

LAFC SLammers, Legends, Strikers and West Coast are all out
Not sure about Rebels or Arsenal

This is not accurate

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

You’re suggesting that two club coaches drive all of top tier college soccer?? Seems a bit far fetched. But I’m listening if you can name other club coaches that have sway.

my niece said no to Baker. He was pissed that he got rejected and sent a nasty text to her father.
She went to Arsenal and then LAFC. She made it to UCLA. She has teammates from Mexico, Europe, Hawaii, and other places not related to Blues.

 

[soccermom74]

'The right thing to do': Organizers cancel soccer Shootout because of coronavirus

Organizers announced the tournament in October, citing multiple coronavirus-related safety precautions. On Wednesday, organizers said the decision to cancel "was just the right thing to do."

tucson.com

If SurfCup can still go on, that is one impressive accomplishment. More soccer tournaments cancelled in AZ. See link

Tucson hasn't held any of their scheduled tournaments yet this year. Not surprised they canceled Fort Lowell. Fun tournament for Ulittles, but that is all it is.

 

[happy9]

No you don't get it. My post was about your negativity. And, how do you respond? With more. Go back to an AZ board. We don't need your negative attitude.

I guess facts don't fit your narrative, you don't like an opposing view, and you resort to personal attacks. Spin it how you will. I think I'll stay put - hit the ignore button or scroll on by.

I hope for your sake that Surf is resilient enough to absorb potential loss of revenue. They've been doing this for a while, they should have plans in place to weather the storm. You'll likely attend Surf at its normally scheduled time.

 

[crush]

Blues has 13 players at Stanford and UCLA alone. 13. Stanford does not have a single CA player who did not play at a big club. UCLA has 5, but really only 3 since there are two PSV players and that guy has tons of cred and is a queenmaker.

That said, the true power of a place like Blues are for those not at the Stanford/UCLA level. Things are much harder for kids at the next tier, and also for the likes of mid to lower level P5 schools. If you play at Blues and Baker recommends you to the CO coach, they’re taking you over the 1000 people who send emails with videos. Period. Believe what you want, I enjoy the increasing desperation in those parents who fail to listen and think emails and videos are the way.

I was told by two of three top Docs in Socal basically the same things EOTL, they the Docs said to my soccer player student: "Where do you what to play ball and please dont say UCLA. I know all the top Power 5 coaches and all I have to do is make a call and the deal is done. If your old man calls me complaining or questioning my motives and how I treat woman, then it's all over for you and you wont play in the next game, so there!" "Or, if your old man keeps challenging my morals and my playing head trips with parents and dds, then I will tell them your dad is a crazy ass father with a history of histrionic disorder and run to the hills. So Sally, where you want to ball?"

 

[oh canada]

Blues has 13 players at Stanford and UCLA alone. 13. Stanford does not have a single CA player who did not play at a big club. UCLA has 5, but really only 3 since there are two PSV players and that guy has tons of cred and is a queenmaker.

That said, the true power of a place like Blues are for those not at the Stanford/UCLA level. Things are much harder for kids at the next tier, and also for the likes of mid to lower level P5 schools. If you play at Blues and Baker recommends you to the CO coach, they’re taking you over the 1000 people who send emails with videos. Period. Believe what you want, I enjoy the increasing desperation in those parents who fail to listen and think emails and videos are the way.

because this thread is getting a lot of eyeballs, I will chime in though it is off topic a bit. @EOTL already knows we differ on this subject. Agree with others that Queenmakers are old school youth soccer lore. It's a different World now when Florida State routinely beats UNC on the women's side and mens college has seen 8 different champs in the last 10 years.

Plus, your daughter becomes a better player at a smaller club with a better coach than suffering through a specific coach's ego-driven verbal abuse for 3-4 years. Her better game then creates more opportunities.

 

[crush]

because this thread is getting a lot of eyeballs, I will chime in though it is off topic a bit. @EOTL already knows we differ on this subject. Agree with others that Queenmakers are old school youth soccer lore. It's a different World now when Florida State routinely beats UNC on the women's side and mens college has seen 8 different champs in the last 10 years.

Plus, your daughter becomes a better player at a smaller club with a better coach than suffering through a specific coach's ego-driven verbal abuse for 3-4 years. Her better game then creates more opportunities.

Oh Canada, you started this thread and it's on fire. Great headline to attract us all and good takes. You and I need to find some middle ground and work to help the girls. They are the ones getting the short end of the stick.

 

[happy9]

because this thread is getting a lot of eyeballs, I will chime in though it is off topic a bit. @EOTL already knows we differ on this subject. Agree with others that Queenmakers are old school youth soccer lore. It's a different World now when Florida State routinely beats UNC on the women's side and mens college has seen 8 different champs in the last 10 years.

Plus, your daughter becomes a better player at a smaller club with a better coach than suffering through a specific coach's ego-driven verbal abuse for 3-4 years. Her better game then creates more opportunities.

"Queenmakers" have always operated on the margins. 98% myth, 2% kinda true.

Reality is recruiting has evolved, especially on the men's side. Off shore relationships at some programs are sometimes more important than stateside recruiting efforts.

The women's side remains more traditional but is certainly trending off shore. Some Club DOCs may have a seat up against the wall in the room with the table at some programs - most parents will not have players on those clubs. There is a reason why Surf is constantly on message with video and why parents of olders want to play at Surf. Getting seen is tough right now. Some college coaches need to fill rosters, some have written off 21s and 22s. Since I'm a glass half full kind of person (contrary to being branded a pessimist), there is plenty of opportunity for kids to play.

Most people on this forum will not have a player on a P5 roster. For those that do,, congrats! those players are exceptional and have worked their butt off.

 

[crush]

"Queenmakers" have always operated on the margins. 98% myth, 2% kinda true.

Reality is recruiting has evolved, especially on the men's side. Off shore relationships at some programs are sometimes more important than stateside recruiting efforts.

The women's side remains more traditional but is certainly trending off shore. Some Club DOCs may have a seat up against the wall in the room with the table at some programs - most parents will not have players on those clubs. There is a reason why Surf is constantly on message with video and why parents of olders want to play at Surf. Getting seen is tough right now. Some college coaches need to fill rosters, some have written off 21s and 22s. Since I'm a glass half full kind of person (contrary to being branded a pessimist), there is plenty of opportunity for kids to play.

Most people on this forum will not have a player on a P5 roster. For those that do,, congrats! those players are exceptional and have worked their butt off.

I love Happy takes most of the time and this is one of them. I was recently diagnosed with Histrionic Personality Disorder Happy and I can see why. I see some similarities so maybe the beginning stages of the great HPD? The truth is this. I just spoke to another dad of a goat that played college ball and just quit. Sophomore year and is done with soccer. I also spoke to a pal who coaches D1. He said they are taking two steps back and reevaluating their programs, roster size and so much more things that it's very hard to operate, let alone play. He told my dd to keep training like there is no tomorrow. Hikes, lifting weights, run on the beach and run at the Great Park and just keep running until stop. Juggle and lots of wall hits. This is the time because she's on lock down and has more time to do this kind of boring training. However, she needs to catch up on her juggling. He also said when the kids are allowed to ball in Socal, all the top coaches will always make room for an eye opener. Happens every year. Plus, Power 5 is not the only game in town for my dd. Time is on our side so we relax and enjoy the Holidays. Love you all

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

"Queenmakers" have always operated on the margins. 98% myth, 2% kinda true.

Reality is recruiting has evolved, especially on the men's side. Off shore relationships at some programs are sometimes more important than stateside recruiting efforts.

The women's side remains more traditional but is certainly trending off shore. Some Club DOCs may have a seat up against the wall in the room with the table at some programs - most parents will not have players on those clubs. There is a reason why Surf is constantly on message with video and why parents of olders want to play at Surf. Getting seen is tough right now. Some college coaches need to fill rosters, some have written off 21s and 22s. Since I'm a glass half full kind of person (contrary to being branded a pessimist), there is plenty of opportunity for kids to play.

Most people on this forum will not have a player on a P5 roster. For those that do,, congrats! those players are exceptional and have worked their butt off.

I know of several players that made it to college to drop out of the soccer program after the first year. Training 4 to 6 hours a day plus school is extremely difficult. I have a do over with my young one and my goal is just get her to have fun and learn, make friends, and get to high school soccer.

The financial ROI is not good enough anymore to spend so much money on ECNL/DA. If your child is a baller and loves it so much that's willing to invest all the time to become elite, go for the highest level. For everyone else, enjoy the ride because with my older boys, it ended too soon.

 

[EOTL]

because this thread is getting a lot of eyeballs, I will chime in though it is off topic a bit. @EOTL already knows we differ on this subject. Agree with others that Queenmakers are old school youth soccer lore. It's a different World now when Florida State routinely beats UNC on the women's side and mens college has seen 8 different champs in the last 10 years.

Plus, your daughter becomes a better player at a smaller club with a better coach than suffering through a specific coach's ego-driven verbal abuse for 3-4 years. Her better game then creates more opportunities.

Sure. Kids definitely become better players at smaller clubs. That explains why zero kids from smaller clubs go to Stanford and very few at UCLA, or any major college program.

Suit yourself. What’s the catchy re: line of choice in unsolicited emails these days? I know how these coaches much prefer to spend hundreds of hours reading emails and watching random game video. Definitely more efficient than Baker or Deza calling to say they have a girl who wants to go to their school and is good enough.

 

[happy9]

Sure. Kids definitely become better players at smaller clubs. That explains why zero kids from smaller clubs go to Stanford and very few at UCLA, or any major college program.

Suit yourself. What’s the catchy re: line of choice in unsolicited emails these days? I know how these coaches much prefer to spend hundreds of hours reading emails and watching random game video. Definitely more efficient than Baker or Deza calling to say they have a girl who wants to go to their school and is good enough.

So only the PAC 12 exists? Or is it a zero sum game? PAC 12 or bust? Is it a complete failure to attend Point Loma, Azusa Pacific? Why the hate?

 

[happy9]

I know of several players that made it to college to drop out of the soccer program after the first year. Training 4 to 6 hours a day plus school is extremely difficult. I have a do over with my young one and my goal is just get her to have fun and learn, make friends, and get to high school soccer.

The financial ROI is not good enough anymore to spend so much money on ECNL/DA. If your child is a baller and loves it so much that's willing to invest all the time to become elite, go for the highest level. For everyone else, enjoy the ride because with my older boys, it ended too soon.

Certainly good logic, especially on the boys side. My oldest was offered more merit $$$ from a well appointed D2 school than soccer $$$ from a mediocre D1 school in a rather crappy location. Academically, the two schools couldn't have been more opposite. He's chosen the well appointed D2 school, which offered a great academic package that allows him to continue to play the game he loves and get the education he desires. And he likes the campus and location. If he decides he no longer wants to play soccer after a year, he will still be able to utilize merit scholarship $$$ to stay on campus. He certainly doesn't have the skill set to go to a P5 conference and play from day 1 but has the academics to get into almost any school he chooses.

Playing at the next level is hard and takes a special kind of kid to make it through the 4 + years. Less than 6% play in college. I have no idea what the percentages are in regards to # of years actually played.

 

[oh canada]

Sure. Kids definitely become better players at smaller clubs. That explains why zero kids from smaller clubs go to Stanford and very few at UCLA, or any major college program.

Suit yourself. What’s the catchy re: line of choice in unsolicited emails these days? I know how these coaches much prefer to spend hundreds of hours reading emails and watching random game video. Definitely more efficient than Baker or Deza calling to say they have a girl who wants to go to their school and is good enough.

Depends on your definition of "smaller" clubs. I'm not talking about Liverpool Santa Ana North. Any ECNL club will do just fine (as can be seen by Stanford's current roster if that's the example we're going with). Especially now with high school soccer back in play (post-Covid, of course). Plenty of opportunity to go around.

 

[dad4]

Sure. Kids definitely become better players at smaller clubs. That explains why zero kids from smaller clubs go to Stanford and very few at UCLA, or any major college program.

Suit yourself. What’s the catchy re: line of choice in unsolicited emails these days? I know how these coaches much prefer to spend hundreds of hours reading emails and watching random game video. Definitely more efficient than Baker or Deza calling to say they have a girl who wants to go to their school and is good enough.

13 players at Stanford and UCLA over 4-5 years. Congratulations.

Now how many knee surgeries over that same time period? 30?

I find it interesting that you mentioned PSV. PSV just churns out injuries. He’s got kids playing in 2 or 3 leagues, practice 6-7 days a week. I’ve watched a kid get carried off the field in tears, holding her knee, go back in the game 10 minutes later, then carried off the field again. Absolutely no concern for the health and well-being of the child.