Surf Cup - Get Your Refund Now

Jose has returned said:
those wanting to shut everything down are still getting a check somewhere. they aren't worried where their rent payment is coming from. Its not about you selfish people. give up your mortgage payment then talk
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Real talk. But I may be the exception. My wife and daughter think I’m cheap. I’m not cheap, they just understand what it is like to go to sleep hungry and have to go to school looking like a bum. I learned at a young age that money is cool but relationships are better. If I lost it all today, it’s nothing to a BOSS to get it right back because I don’t focus on money, I focus on love.
 
watfly said:
I don't disagree that Surf would be well advised to cancel the tournament from an optics standpoint, I've been on record saying that for weeks. Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner with the remaining teams. They had a perfect opportunity a week and a half ago to cancel but instead they doubled down. However, comparing them to "big tobacco" or a "criminal enterprise", is not remotely factually comparable, and is a level of animosity that I can't comprehend based on the simple decision to legally and safely (based on their protocols and the actually history of recent tourneys) host a tournament. I guess calling them Nazi's is too ubiquitous. It seems there is something else underlying this venom. I know people that resent Surf's success...which I find odd that anyone resents somebody else's success.

Teams and clubs have made their own decisions to go. They should go, have a good time, be careful and take responsibility for their actions. Surf is not forcing anyone to go. Does Surf have influence? Sure, they're the 880lb gorilla that could sell ice to Eskimos, but Surf has given teams every opportunity to back out and receive a 97% refund. It seems you may be just looking for a scapegoat. I guess I'm just tired of this nanny culture where people hyperbolically criticize others for their educated choices when those choices have zero impact on them. I realize this behavior is likely born out of their own fears, but that still doesn't justify it. As my mom used to say "Mind your own beeswax".
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100% agree with all of this.

BUT.....From an AZ perspective (just mine, other AZ folks on here may disagree), The idea of Surf is fodder for more stupid local government decision making. The idea of Surf has shut down all city fields/parks/other stuff in the city of phoenix. .That impacts directly certain clubs ability to practice. Cites across the valley have suspended services to their citizens. Do I directly blame Surf, no...Is there indirect blame , yep. Soccer tournament travel from out of state is mentioned in every single meeting that cities are having. Tucson has cancelled everything through end of JAN and has implemented a curfew (county wide). The threat of more restrictions hang over the head of small business as our cases continue to rise and ICUs continue to fill up. 140 ICU beds available today and it's likely less because of staffing. I know for a fact that smaller hospitals up north are out of ICU beds and many smaller hospitals elsewhere, to include the phoenix area, are getting there.

Small businesses are leaning in hard to demonstrate compliance with local directives. It's harder to run a restaurant at 50% capacity (which is what's happening now) than it is at 100% capacity. It may be catastrophic to many to undergo take out only again for 30 days or more. The macaroni grill will be just fine, Juan Solo's taco shop, not so much.

Since Thanksgiving, local tournaments have either scaled back participation or cancelled. Corporations have cancelled their stuff. It's an optics thing. I'm not going to argue the science behind virus spread on a soccer pitch - it's a stupid one.

So yea, Surf in AZ in DEC/JAN against the backdrop of what's happening is utterly foolish. Believe what you want about how the virus spreads, etc, the reality is this is being politized to the Nth degree. Just look inward to CA for the playbook. To put it rather kindly, I really don't care about your lack of game footage or how little jonny and sally need to play 3 games over a weekend and put in a good effort. It's your right and choice to act on that notion, it's also other people's right's to disagree. Go find a vacant field or two and put some games together. Let the conditions improve and then come back and play. Some people need to pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and breathe.

On a good note, and one that I follow more closely and place higher street cred to- Fatality rates are falling even as infection rates are increasing. Seems like we have a quicker turnover in ICU beds, which is good. The virus is scary and dangerous to some, not so scary and dangerous to most. Once we peak and ICU beds are full of what they are normally full of this time of the year, then the threat of increased restrictions will ease.
 
happy9 said:
100% agree with all of this.

BUT.....From an AZ perspective (just mine, other AZ folks on here may disagree), The idea of Surf is fodder for more stupid local government decision making. The idea of Surf has shut down all city fields/parks/other stuff in the city of phoenix. .That impacts directly certain clubs ability to practice. Cites across the valley have suspended services to their citizens. Do I directly blame Surf, no...Is there indirect blame , yep. Soccer tournament travel from out of state is mentioned in every single meeting that cities are having. Tucson has cancelled everything through end of JAN and has implemented a curfew (county wide). The threat of more restrictions hang over the head of small business as our cases continue to rise and ICUs continue to fill up. 140 ICU beds available today and it's likely less because of staffing. I know for a fact that smaller hospitals up north are out of ICU beds and many smaller hospitals elsewhere, to include the phoenix area, are getting there.

Small businesses are leaning in hard to demonstrate compliance with local directives. It's harder to run a restaurant at 50% capacity (which is what's happening now) than it is at 100% capacity. It may be catastrophic to many to undergo take out only again for 30 days or more. The macaroni grill will be just fine, Juan Solo's taco shop, not so much.

Since Thanksgiving, local tournaments have either scaled back participation or cancelled. Corporations have cancelled their stuff. It's an optics thing. I'm not going to argue the science behind virus spread on a soccer pitch - it's a stupid one.

So yea, Surf in AZ in DEC/JAN against the backdrop of what's happening is utterly foolish. Believe what you want about how the virus spreads, etc, the reality is this is being politized to the Nth degree. Just look inward to CA for the playbook. To put it rather kindly, I really don't care about your lack of game footage or how little jonny and sally need to play 3 games over a weekend and put in a good effort. It's your right and choice to act on that notion, it's also other people's right's to disagree. Go find a vacant field or two and put some games together. Let the conditions improve and then come back and play. Some people need to pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and breathe.

On a good note, and one that I follow more closely and place higher street cred to- Fatality rates are falling even as infection rates are increasing. Seems like we have a quicker turnover in ICU beds, which is good. The virus is scary and dangerous to some, not so scary and dangerous to most. Once we peak and ICU beds are full of what they are normally full of this time of the year, then the threat of increased restrictions will ease.
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100% agree (and BTW my comments weren't directed at you).

Surf is a guest in AZ, they should consider that in their decision making. I suspect that they may not be welcomed back.
 
watfly said:
100% agree (and BTW my comments weren't directed at you).

Surf is a guest in AZ, they should consider that in their decision making. I suspect that they may not be welcomed back.
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Didn't think they were and didn't mean to imply I thought they were. Just a general statement.

Surf saw an opportunity and took it. Field availability was in their favor --> 2nd week of JAN-MAY most good fields are generally booked. Great idea at the time and a win, win for all parties invovled.
 
Jose has returned said:
any scientific updates on soccer spreading the virus? asking for a friend
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The news would have a huge headline if soccer was spreading covid. Look what happened to indoor basketball.

The Mercury News says the outbreak includes 39 "middle- and high school players," three coaches and 35 additional contacts.

www.thedenverchannel.com

94 cases of COVID-19 traced back to illegal youth basketball tournament in California

Health officials in Santa Clara County, California, say that they have traced 94 cases of COVID-19 to a youth basketball tournament that took place illegally at a nearby indoor sports complex last month.
www.thedenverchannel.com www.thedenverchannel.com
 
watfly said:
What's up with all the hate towards Surf?
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Surf the club: I don't like how they are attempting to be the McDonalds of soccer by absorbing smaller local clubs and bending them to one unified model.

Surf Cup the org: I don't like the hypercapitalism that they feel the need to put everyone through. Just put on a good tournament ffs, don't try to be anything more. Sometimes growth growth growth is not the answer to everything. Be good at what you're good at.
 
Some time ago, Surf was Best of the Best. Kids and parents were looking forward to going to Surf. Also your team have to be very good to be accepted. But ever since they've created flight 2 and start accepting mediocre out of state teams just because they had to stay in a hotel, Surf became Best of the Rest. There is no doubt Surf still very well run tournament compare to others. But this year they've made a big mistake postponing it 3 times and then moving to AZ in the worst possible time. I really hope tournament will happen and wish best of luck to all teams that brave enough to attend.
 
notintheface said:
Surf the club: I don't like how they are attempting to be the McDonalds of soccer by absorbing smaller local clubs and bending them to one unified model.

Surf Cup the org: I don't like the hypercapitalism that they feel the need to put everyone through. Just put on a good tournament ffs, don't try to be anything more. Sometimes growth growth growth is not the answer to everything. Be good at what you're good at.
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I understand your points, I just personally wouldn't hate them for it. A question, not a criticism, do you really think they're bending these clubs to be one unified model? To me its seems more of marketing and jersey selling scheme.
 
socalkdg said:
The news would have a huge headline if soccer was spreading covid. Look what happened to indoor basketball.

The Mercury News says the outbreak includes 39 "middle- and high school players," three coaches and 35 additional contacts.

www.thedenverchannel.com

94 cases of COVID-19 traced back to illegal youth basketball tournament in California

Health officials in Santa Clara County, California, say that they have traced 94 cases of COVID-19 to a youth basketball tournament that took place illegally at a nearby indoor sports complex last month.
www.thedenverchannel.com www.thedenverchannel.com
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And yet not a single hospitalization connected to these 94 cases. We know damned well that would have been spotlighted.
 
Kicker4Life said:
No hate for the small clubs that Sell out to franchises like Surf or Slammers? You can’t buy what isn’t for sale!
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Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like that either. Clubs have unrealistic ambitions that wind up getting taken advantage of; "you'll never retain the best players if you aren't in these leagues", "you need the support of a giant centrally controlled organization in order to compete in these modern times" etc etc etc. I've seen firsthand the wild promises that get thrown around and the subsequent reality-- the only thing Surf et al have going for them is the scale. They aren't any better or worse or whatever, they're just big. That size makes them believe that they're these gatekeepers to greatness when in reality that isn't the case, and that's the frustrating part. It's the same for Slammers, right, you see that Yokohama sponsorship and club admins just lose their mind, "oh we have to be a part of that" and it's just ridiculous.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
People are counted as a "Covid" death despite a comorbidity issue that is not being acknowledged. People dying from Covid, rather than dying WITH Covid, are not the same.
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Get a load of this. Your comorbidity comment is accurate but it gets so much more ridiculous. The guy who dies in a motorcycle accident tests positive for "it" and so the cause of death is listed as "it" because the thinking is "well if he didn't have "it" he wouldn't have crashed and died. Smh.

Or..., the number of positive cases being reported also includes "suspected". And that suspected number being folded in is about a 10% bump. Go figure.
 
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