Surf Cup - Get Your Refund Now

Scott m Shurson said:
I consider outdoor sports for kids "essential", or at the very least, as "essential" as only allowing 20% of patrons in a department store, private schools being allowed to stay open because they're private, "outdoor dining" inside a car cover and portable heater, 1/2 day school on a hybrid schedule, etc.

At least until there's legitimate statistics to prove playing soccer outside puts people in the hospital. I haven't seen that yet. Have you? And are we going to pretend scanning someone's forehead temperature somehow reduces risk? I mean, who the fuck are we kidding?
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If I remember right, the forehead temperature thing catches something like 30-40% of cases. Costs next to nothing, is a truly minor inconvenience, and helps a bit. Perfectly reasonable thing to do before practices and scrimmages.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I consider outdoor sports for kids "essential", or at the very least, as "essential" as only allowing 20% of patrons in a department store, private schools being allowed to stay open because they're private, "outdoor dining" inside a car cover and portable heater, 1/2 day school on a hybrid schedule, etc.

At least until there's legitimate statistics to prove playing soccer outside puts people in the hospital. I haven't seen that yet. Have you? And are we going to pretend scanning someone's forehead temperature somehow reduces risk? I mean, who the fuck are we kidding?
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Let it all out bro. I'm healing myself coming on here and talking up with my pals, who seem to be the same person. Therapeutic is an understatement.
 
dad4 said:
If I remember right, the forehead temperature thing catches something like 30-40% of cases. Costs next to nothing, is a truly minor inconvenience, and helps a bit. Perfectly reasonable thing to do before practices and scrimmages.
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Agreed... but it presents a false sense of security. 60-70% on a test means you aren't getting into grad school.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Nobody is being fooled by "Best of the Best". Not in 2020. Surf is a soccer tournament that, if it ever really was best of the best, is a reward for kids that work their asses off 3-4 days per week. Getting to play in some of the best weather on the planet. Having smoothies by the pool with teammates. Going to Sea World. Checking out some terrific, local colleges between matches. For most it's just about the experience & reward for hard work and sacrifice we all know comp players make.

You can be pissed that someone is still trying to host a soccer tournament because of Covid, but blaming them for wanting to make money is ridiculous. They aren't being deceitful and they aren't being greedy. Those of you wanting everyone to shut everything down are never going to get 100% compliance, no matter what you do, so quit whining.

Surf provides a product people want or it wouldn't exist. Stop crying about them pushing the dates back. They're chasing a moving target like Fauci and The Laundry King of France.
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those wanting to shut everything down are still getting a check somewhere. they aren't worried where their rent payment is coming from. Its not about you selfish people. give up your mortgage payment then talk
 
dad4 said:
If I remember right, the forehead temperature thing catches something like 30-40% of cases. Costs next to nothing, is a truly minor inconvenience, and helps a bit. Perfectly reasonable thing to do before practices and scrimmages.
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So my wife does this when we go into place that tries to scan her brain.

Hostess: Hi mam, please place your forehead out forward please

Wife: No, I wont let you scan my brain with your machine. Is there another way?

Hostess: Yes, stay in your car and one of my boys will roller skate your grub out to you or let me scan your wrist

Wife: Ok, please scan wrist
 
Jose has returned said:
those wanting to shut everything down are still getting a check somewhere. they aren't worried where their rent payment is coming from. Its not about you selfish people. give up your mortgage payment then talk
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That's whats next on the docket. No more check for all and see how it feels. So many men think they own us. Just wait Jose, sh*t is about to really hit the fan.
 
crush said:
So my wife does this when we go into place that tries to scan her brain.

Hostess: Hi mam, please place your forehead out forward please

Wife: No, I wont let you scan my brain with your machine. Is there another way?

Hostess: Yes, stay in your car and one of my boys will roller skate your grub out to you or let me scan your wrist

Wife: Ok, please scan wrist
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Next time suggest a rectal thermometer. The reaction will be well worth ending up at Macaroni Grill down the street.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I consider outdoor sports for kids "essential", or at the very least, as "essential" as only allowing 20% of patrons in a department store, private schools being allowed to stay open because they're private, "outdoor dining" inside a car cover and portable heater, 1/2 day school on a hybrid schedule, etc.

At least until there's legitimate statistics to prove playing soccer outside puts people in the hospital. I haven't seen that yet. Have you? And are we going to pretend scanning someone's forehead temperature somehow reduces risk? I mean, who the fuck are we kidding?
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I consider outdoor sports essential for kids too. In the past 10 months my kid has learned how to skateboard. She rides “goofy” so she works her left (weak) leg and I think that will eventually help with finishing with her non-dominant leg. Her balance and core strength has improved also; she probably does 100 ollies per day. Skateboarding has also taught her how to fall and hopefully this skill will help avoid or minimize injury in the future.

We live by Mountain Bike trails so we have been hitting the trails too.

I’m telling you this because my kid wants to go pro or experimental as others have called it. In order to play soccer in college or pros these kids need to become comfortable with cross training. I think the past 10 months have been a great opportunity for players to focus on improving skill/technique and introducing more variety into their fitness routine.

I don’t have any control over what politicians do, so I am focusing my energy and attention to areas that I can control.
 
oh canada said:
I've never had an issue with Surf--15+ years of kids soccer in LA/OC and plenty of SurfCups--until several weeks ago when they made a business decision to prioritize profits over the health and safety of families and children, despite resounding medical advice to the contrary and now in defiance of state and local mandates--then promoting it under the guise of college scouting and kids needing to play. It's really a shame because this will tarnish their reputation for a long time...the club not willing to join the other CA clubs/teams/players/families in the worthy common goal of following state orders to suppress a health crisis. Nobody likes the mandates, but responsible companies do not willingly defy them, and do not encourage families and children to do the same. They are incapable (as are some posters on this thread) of looking at things without a soccer lens. That is disappointing and sad. At this point, if they cared about ethics and the welfare of California families, Surf would not allow ANY California teams to play in AZ, including their own. That's not jealousy. That's simply calling for doing the right thing.
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I don't disagree that Surf would be well advised to cancel the tournament from an optics standpoint, I've been on record saying that for weeks. Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner with the remaining teams. They had a perfect opportunity a week and a half ago to cancel but instead they doubled down. However, comparing them to "big tobacco" or a "criminal enterprise", is not remotely factually comparable, and is a level of animosity that I can't comprehend based on the simple decision to legally and safely (based on their protocols and the actually history of recent tourneys) host a tournament. I guess calling them Nazi's is too ubiquitous. It seems there is something else underlying this venom. I know people that resent Surf's success...which I find odd that anyone resents somebody else's success.

Teams and clubs have made their own decisions to go. They should go, have a good time, be careful and take responsibility for their actions. Surf is not forcing anyone to go. Does Surf have influence? Sure, they're the 880lb gorilla that could sell ice to Eskimos, but Surf has given teams every opportunity to back out and receive a 97% refund. It seems you may be just looking for a scapegoat. I guess I'm just tired of this nanny culture where people hyperbolically criticize others for their educated choices when those choices have zero impact on them. I realize this behavior is likely born out of their own fears, but that still doesn't justify it. As my mom used to say "Mind your own beeswax".
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Totally understand that. People that will do it in Phoenix are doing it now already, though. They won't adjust their behavior, as I would personally, but that's kind of my point. I'm inclined to believe all of our kids, except for EOTL that doesn't have kids playing soccer, have already had it or been exposed to it by "social distancing" at their 3-days per week "non contact" practices for 6 months. It's ridiculous.
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People will and do adjust their behavior when it becomes so hard for them to engage in idiotic behavior that they don’t. CA’s rules have made it so impractical to attend Surf that most have abandoned ship. And that limits spread. Most have stopped going places because it just isn’t worth it. That is the point. Not expecting the impossible of 100% of people staying home 100% of the time. The more CA can limit spread, the more likely it will continue to have the lowest death rate of any state with even remotely similar population density.

The fact that idiot cactus lovers are going to spread covid at bars regardless of the rules is all the more reason to make it harder on Californians to go get covid from them.

Any updates odds for the big Blues v. Yuma AYSO matchup?
 
EOTL said:
People will and do adjust their behavior when it becomes so hard for them to engage in idiotic behavior that they don’t. CA’s rules have made it so impractical to attend Surf that most have abandoned ship. And that limits spread. Most have stopped going places because it just isn’t worth it. That is the point. Not expecting the impossible of 100% of people staying home 100% of the time. The more CA can limit spread, the more likely it will continue to have the lowest death rate of any state with even remotely similar population density.

The fact that idiot cactus lovers are going to spread covid at bars regardless of the rules is all the more reason to make it harder on Californians to go get covid from them.

Any updates odds for the big Blues v. Yuma AYSO matchup?
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Why would you care about odds? Are you a gambler or just love talking about kid's soccer when you don't have kids playing soccer?
 
EOTL said:
People will and do adjust their behavior when it becomes so hard for them to engage in idiotic behavior that they don’t. CA’s rules have made it so impractical to attend Surf that most have abandoned ship. And that limits spread. Most have stopped going places because it just isn’t worth it. That is the point. Not expecting the impossible of 100% of people staying home 100% of the time. The more CA can limit spread, the more likely it will continue to have the lowest death rate of any state with even remotely similar population density.

The fact that idiot cactus lovers are going to spread covid at bars regardless of the rules is all the more reason to make it harder on Californians to go get covid from them.

Any updates odds for the big Blues v. Yuma AYSO matchup?
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Blues v Yuma 0%
 
EOTL said:
People will and do adjust their behavior when it becomes so hard for them to engage in idiotic behavior that they don’t. CA’s rules have made it so impractical to attend Surf that most have abandoned ship. And that limits spread. Most have stopped going places because it just isn’t worth it. That is the point. Not expecting the impossible of 100% of people staying home 100% of the time. The more CA can limit spread, the more likely it will continue to have the lowest death rate of any state with even remotely similar population density.

The fact that idiot cactus lovers are going to spread covid at bars regardless of the rules is all the more reason to make it harder on Californians to go get covid from them.

Any updates odds for the big Blues v. Yuma AYSO matchup?
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any scientific updates on soccer spreading the virus? asking for a friend
 
Jose has returned said:
those wanting to shut everything down are still getting a check somewhere. they aren't worried where their rent payment is coming from. Its not about you selfish people. give up your mortgage payment then talk
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Real talk. But I may be the exception. My wife and daughter think I’m cheap. I’m not cheap, they just understand what it is like to go to sleep hungry and have to go to school looking like a bum. I learned at a young age that money is cool but relationships are better. If I lost it all today, it’s nothing to a BOSS to get it right back because I don’t focus on money, I focus on love.
 
watfly said:
I don't disagree that Surf would be well advised to cancel the tournament from an optics standpoint, I've been on record saying that for weeks. Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner with the remaining teams. They had a perfect opportunity a week and a half ago to cancel but instead they doubled down. However, comparing them to "big tobacco" or a "criminal enterprise", is not remotely factually comparable, and is a level of animosity that I can't comprehend based on the simple decision to legally and safely (based on their protocols and the actually history of recent tourneys) host a tournament. I guess calling them Nazi's is too ubiquitous. It seems there is something else underlying this venom. I know people that resent Surf's success...which I find odd that anyone resents somebody else's success.

Teams and clubs have made their own decisions to go. They should go, have a good time, be careful and take responsibility for their actions. Surf is not forcing anyone to go. Does Surf have influence? Sure, they're the 880lb gorilla that could sell ice to Eskimos, but Surf has given teams every opportunity to back out and receive a 97% refund. It seems you may be just looking for a scapegoat. I guess I'm just tired of this nanny culture where people hyperbolically criticize others for their educated choices when those choices have zero impact on them. I realize this behavior is likely born out of their own fears, but that still doesn't justify it. As my mom used to say "Mind your own beeswax".
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100% agree with all of this.

BUT.....From an AZ perspective (just mine, other AZ folks on here may disagree), The idea of Surf is fodder for more stupid local government decision making. The idea of Surf has shut down all city fields/parks/other stuff in the city of phoenix. .That impacts directly certain clubs ability to practice. Cites across the valley have suspended services to their citizens. Do I directly blame Surf, no...Is there indirect blame , yep. Soccer tournament travel from out of state is mentioned in every single meeting that cities are having. Tucson has cancelled everything through end of JAN and has implemented a curfew (county wide). The threat of more restrictions hang over the head of small business as our cases continue to rise and ICUs continue to fill up. 140 ICU beds available today and it's likely less because of staffing. I know for a fact that smaller hospitals up north are out of ICU beds and many smaller hospitals elsewhere, to include the phoenix area, are getting there.

Small businesses are leaning in hard to demonstrate compliance with local directives. It's harder to run a restaurant at 50% capacity (which is what's happening now) than it is at 100% capacity. It may be catastrophic to many to undergo take out only again for 30 days or more. The macaroni grill will be just fine, Juan Solo's taco shop, not so much.

Since Thanksgiving, local tournaments have either scaled back participation or cancelled. Corporations have cancelled their stuff. It's an optics thing. I'm not going to argue the science behind virus spread on a soccer pitch - it's a stupid one.

So yea, Surf in AZ in DEC/JAN against the backdrop of what's happening is utterly foolish. Believe what you want about how the virus spreads, etc, the reality is this is being politized to the Nth degree. Just look inward to CA for the playbook. To put it rather kindly, I really don't care about your lack of game footage or how little jonny and sally need to play 3 games over a weekend and put in a good effort. It's your right and choice to act on that notion, it's also other people's right's to disagree. Go find a vacant field or two and put some games together. Let the conditions improve and then come back and play. Some people need to pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and breathe.

On a good note, and one that I follow more closely and place higher street cred to- Fatality rates are falling even as infection rates are increasing. Seems like we have a quicker turnover in ICU beds, which is good. The virus is scary and dangerous to some, not so scary and dangerous to most. Once we peak and ICU beds are full of what they are normally full of this time of the year, then the threat of increased restrictions will ease.
 
happy9 said:
100% agree with all of this.

BUT.....From an AZ perspective (just mine, other AZ folks on here may disagree), The idea of Surf is fodder for more stupid local government decision making. The idea of Surf has shut down all city fields/parks/other stuff in the city of phoenix. .That impacts directly certain clubs ability to practice. Cites across the valley have suspended services to their citizens. Do I directly blame Surf, no...Is there indirect blame , yep. Soccer tournament travel from out of state is mentioned in every single meeting that cities are having. Tucson has cancelled everything through end of JAN and has implemented a curfew (county wide). The threat of more restrictions hang over the head of small business as our cases continue to rise and ICUs continue to fill up. 140 ICU beds available today and it's likely less because of staffing. I know for a fact that smaller hospitals up north are out of ICU beds and many smaller hospitals elsewhere, to include the phoenix area, are getting there.

Small businesses are leaning in hard to demonstrate compliance with local directives. It's harder to run a restaurant at 50% capacity (which is what's happening now) than it is at 100% capacity. It may be catastrophic to many to undergo take out only again for 30 days or more. The macaroni grill will be just fine, Juan Solo's taco shop, not so much.

Since Thanksgiving, local tournaments have either scaled back participation or cancelled. Corporations have cancelled their stuff. It's an optics thing. I'm not going to argue the science behind virus spread on a soccer pitch - it's a stupid one.

So yea, Surf in AZ in DEC/JAN against the backdrop of what's happening is utterly foolish. Believe what you want about how the virus spreads, etc, the reality is this is being politized to the Nth degree. Just look inward to CA for the playbook. To put it rather kindly, I really don't care about your lack of game footage or how little jonny and sally need to play 3 games over a weekend and put in a good effort. It's your right and choice to act on that notion, it's also other people's right's to disagree. Go find a vacant field or two and put some games together. Let the conditions improve and then come back and play. Some people need to pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and breathe.

On a good note, and one that I follow more closely and place higher street cred to- Fatality rates are falling even as infection rates are increasing. Seems like we have a quicker turnover in ICU beds, which is good. The virus is scary and dangerous to some, not so scary and dangerous to most. Once we peak and ICU beds are full of what they are normally full of this time of the year, then the threat of increased restrictions will ease.
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100% agree (and BTW my comments weren't directed at you).

Surf is a guest in AZ, they should consider that in their decision making. I suspect that they may not be welcomed back.
 
watfly said:
100% agree (and BTW my comments weren't directed at you).

Surf is a guest in AZ, they should consider that in their decision making. I suspect that they may not be welcomed back.
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Didn't think they were and didn't mean to imply I thought they were. Just a general statement.

Surf saw an opportunity and took it. Field availability was in their favor --> 2nd week of JAN-MAY most good fields are generally booked. Great idea at the time and a win, win for all parties invovled.
 
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