Surf Cup - Get Your Refund Now

dad4 said:
You missed the point of the sentence.

I was responding to this:

There is no way in hell 99% will do that. People haven’t before, what makes you think they will now?

I’m just waiting for the last of you loons to get yourselves infected. I‘ve given up on convincing you that a 4/1000 chance of dying is a bad thing.
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ITFC Blues said:
As I write this I am watching the news out of London where they have now deployed police to prevent people from getting on trains out of London now that their travel ban went into effect. Now that's a little nuts. Over here if people are so determined to go to Phoenix for 3 days and are willing to have to quarantine from work, school, and training the Police aren't going to stop them from going. Mesa is on record as saying they are allowing tournaments to continue due to concern about costing local jobs if they shut down the tournaments but they are gonna crack down hard on any violators gosh darn it.

From the Arizona Republic
Mesa will continue to allow the tournaments, but the mayor said rule enforcement would be strict.

“The time for gentle persuasion is over. We have to have strict enforcement of these rules or I think the next step is to do what we’ve been asked to do, which is shut our fields," Giles said during a City Council session on Monday.

Giles said the city had to weigh "two very legitimate and very competing interests" — that of health care providers asking city leaders to close the fields to prevent further spread of the virus and that of the hospitality industry that needs these events. Giles said “several hundred people” in the hospitality industry would lose their jobs if the city canceled tournaments.

We were told the difference is that the State went on record at a news conference ( in response to a question from a stating that the travel restrictions are a mandate and that is what CHANGED things. Up until the state changed it to a mandate they were ok with travelling. It was that change that put travel in conflict with US Club Soccer ( who says you must abide by your home territory LOCAL and STATE orders). It also put them in conflict with the local health department. It's possible some clubs were told not to worry about it when they checked with CDPH and their County Health Department so they decided to travel anyway. They may have agreed to a 10-14 day quarantine upon return.

US Club Soccer hasn't been clear ( publicly) on what their position is and they clearly aren't interested in putting out clear direction. They basically said you should check with your lawyers to see if you should travel out of state. It's basically don't ask us, check with your local governing authorities and your lawyer to see if you would be covered.

This is what is on their web site. It's clear that Surf Sports recognizes the limitations and that is why they are offering full refunds ( minus credit card fees) to clubs that withdraw due to this. By doing that, they are putting the responsibility back on to each club that attends. ( we gave them every opportunity to withdraw and they still showed up).

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dad4 said:
You actually think 99% of parents who are willing to travel during a pandemic are going to eat dinner in the hotel room?

Or you’re just disagreeing with me on instinct?

Read your sentence about people being social, then tell me whether 99% of parents will eat dinner in the hotel room.
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well I can tell you our families are… Entire team is on board. Players and family going back to their rooms after games etc. made it clear to the players that this is about playing games and and not going out and socializing.
 
dad4 said:
You missed the point of the sentence.

I was responding to this:

There is no way in hell 99% will do that. People haven’t before, what makes you think they will now?

I’m just waiting for the last of you loons to get yourselves infected. I‘ve given up on convincing you that a 4/1000 chance of dying is a bad thing.
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I've been to quite a few AZ tournaments over the last few months and observed, as you do, various parental behavior. I have been pretty astounded as to parents congregating on the sidelines, without masks or loosely adhering, in groups before, during and after games. These parents are local and out of state, including many from CA (because we've played many CA teams). If they are doing that at games, then I'd hazard a guess that they are definitely doing it when not at games.

It is pretty bizarre that parents who will go all the way to AZ to play, due to their local restrictions, wouldn't be respectful of the protocols that the tournament organizers and local cities have put in place. Entitled much!

Its great to hear that everyone going from CA on this forum doesn't do any of that. Unfortunately my completely unscientific observations would say that you are at best in a slight majority. The premise that 99% adhere is risible.
 
dad4 said:
You missed the point of the sentence.

I was responding to this:

There is no way in hell 99% will do that. People haven’t before, what makes you think they will now?

I’m just waiting for the last of you loons to get yourselves infected. I‘ve given up on convincing you that a 4/1000 chance of dying is a bad thing.
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Good, i guess we wont be reading your salty comments anymore.
 
Spfister said:
DO TIU

well I can tell you our families are… Entire team is on board. Players and family going back to their rooms after games etc. made it clear to the players that this is about playing games and and not going out and socializing.
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It makes sense. I hope most people are like you guys.

I understand that some of the 21s and 22s are in a hard spot. Hope your kid ends up at a school they like.
 
dad4 said:
I’m just waiting for the last of you loons to get yourselves infected. I‘ve given up on convincing you that a 4/1000 chance of dying is a bad thing.
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For the vast vast majority of the population getting infected means nothing.

And yet guys like you want to shut it all down vs focusing on the at risk population.

People under 54 constitute a bit more than 7% of all deaths.
People under 44 constitute a bit less than 3% of all deaths.
More than 40% of all deaths are people living in nursing homes.

And since this is a soccer forum dealing with mainly youth soccer...but also college age soccer...we see that per the latest CDC stats the under 24 age group has had a total of 553 deaths. And yet we see people worried about if their kid is wearing a mask walking on to the fields, or worried about taking their kid into a hotel or a restaurant, etc. Wondering if going to school is safe and so on. COVID IS NOT A RISK IN THE LEAST TO THIS AGE GROUP.

Based on the numbers above you don't shut down schools, biz, etc. The costs greatly outweigh any benefits.

When the wuhan virus first came about, I stayed home and didn't let the kids go anywhere. etc. At that time the initial reports indicated a substantially different death rate. Very quickly however the data started coming in we could see who is actually at risk. And since early on the data has not changed with who is at risk.

We have also seen that lockdowns don't do anything nor do mask mandates. And yet we hear people/politicians want to do the same failed experiment again.
 
Desert Hound said:
For the vast vast majority of the population getting infected means nothing.

And yet guys like you want to shut it all down vs focusing on the at risk population.

People under 54 constitute a bit more than 7% of all deaths.
People under 44 constitute a bit less than 3% of all deaths.
More than 40% of all deaths are people living in nursing homes.

And since this is a soccer forum dealing with mainly youth soccer...but also college age soccer...we see that per the latest CDC stats the under 24 age group has had a total of 553 deaths. And yet we see people worried about if their kid is wearing a mask walking on to the fields, or worried about taking their kid into a hotel or a restaurant, etc. Wondering if going to school is safe and so on. COVID IS NOT A RISK IN THE LEAST TO THIS AGE GROUP.

Based on the numbers above you don't shut down schools, biz, etc. The costs greatly outweigh any benefits.

When the wuhan virus first came about, I stayed home and didn't let the kids go anywhere. etc. At that time the initial reports indicated a substantially different death rate. Very quickly however the data started coming in we could see who is actually at risk. And since early on the data has not changed with who is at risk.

We have also seen that lockdowns don't do anything nor do mask mandates. And yet we hear people/politicians want to do the same failed experiment again.
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before they all jump on you, ill just add that if you play soccer and live life, dont visit gramma and granpa....
 
jimlewis said:
before they all jump on you, ill just add that if you play soccer and live life, dont visit gramma and granpa....
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So you are advocating for elder abuse and neglect? Funny, when I was a kid I was encouraged to visit old folks homes because of the developmental benefit of hanging around folks that had lived so long and it was the right thing to do.

Now, it’s to hell with grandma and grandpa (old fucks) so long as we get to play kiddie soccer. Seriously? AMAZING!
 
MacDre said:
So you are advocating for elder abuse and neglect? Funny, when I was a kid I was encouraged to visit old folks homes because of the developmental benefit of hanging around folks that had lived so long and it was the right thing to do.

Now, it’s to hell with grandma and grandpa (old fucks) so long as we get to play kiddie soccer. Seriously? AMAZING!
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why cant we do both? Just wear a mask when visiting old folks and stay 6 feet apart right?
 
MacDre said:
So you are advocating for elder abuse and neglect? Funny, when I was a kid I was encouraged to visit old folks homes because of the developmental benefit of hanging around folks that had lived so long and it was the right thing to do.

Now, it’s to hell with grandma and grandpa (old fucks) so long as we get to play kiddie soccer. Seriously? AMAZING!
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wow, didnt expect the crazies to take it to this angle. @hound, sometimes you have to spell it out for the keyboard social justice warriors
 
MacDre said:
So you are advocating for elder abuse and neglect? Funny, when I was a kid I was encouraged to visit old folks homes because of the developmental benefit of hanging around folks that had lived so long and it was the right thing to do.

Now, it’s to hell with grandma and grandpa (old fucks) so long as we get to play kiddie soccer. Seriously? AMAZING!
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No, it's actually something we avoid now, anyway, because we're still working, still schooling, still grocery shopping and still doing things our leaders have deemed "essential". Seriously.
 
Keepermom2 said:
here you go and it is 4 days ago...
ktla.com

Lawsuit alleges prominent SoCal youth soccer organizations ignored child protection policies in sex abuse case

The family of a young soccer player is suing prominent Los Angeles-area soccer organizations over allegations of negligence that led to the sexual abuse of a young boy, San Diego-based law firm Est…
ktla.com ktla.com
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People will sue for anything if it means free money. No background check? How many 1st time offenders passed the "background check"?
 
jimlewis said:
before they all jump on you, ill just add that if you play soccer and live life, dont visit gramma and granpa....
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Or, if Gramps and Grandma say their not afraid of Rona and come over and see us before we forget WHO the hell you are. To each family their own family. We are going to eat and meet and have Guatemalan Tamales on the Eve of Christ Birthday. We have to meet. Be safe out there and Merry Christmas to you Jimmy :)
 
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