Strikers ECNL rumors

lafalafa said:
If you followed the thread it was already referenced

"Prospective clubs must also demonstrate an ability to provide low or no-cost options for players to participate on MLS NEXT teams, creating opportunities for a more inclusive player pool"

We don't have club fees and neither do most of the other NEXT clubs in our area or at least they are reduced. I'm not injectioning anything and if you ask NExt personnel about this they will tell you the same thing, recommend low cost or no cost.

I asked that question previously and Strikers already went pay to play in DA and it really didn't turn out well, no championship, missed postseason many times, regulated to tier 2. Etc. If they repeat that in NEXT well I guess they didn't really learn too much.
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It seems like we are talking past each other... Demonstrating the ability to do something and requiring a club to do something are two very different things. Again, if you have some more information that you aren't posting, please share it because I am curious but nothing you keep replying with is any sort of legal language or binding bylaw for Next.

You mentioned that "most" Next clubs don't have fees... Can you share that information? I would be curious to see where that is tracked...

Strikers is a solid club that turns out good players and kids. They have also produced many kids that have gone on to LAFC and LAG academy, not sure why you are hating?
 
StrikerOC said:
It seems like we are talking past each other... Demonstrating the ability to do something and requiring a club to do something are two very different things. Again, if you have some more information that you aren't posting, please share it because I am curious but nothing you keep replying with is any sort of legal language or binding bylaw for Next.

You mentioned that "most" Next clubs don't have fees... Can you share that information? I would be curious to see where that is tracked...

Strikers is a solid club that turns out good players and kids. They have also produced many kids that have gone on to LAFC and LAG academy, not sure why you are hating?
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You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.
 
lafalafa said:
You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.
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Well if it's not enforced, doesn't that make it optional?
 
BIGD said:
What about travel costs? How does your club handle that? Is most of the team able to afford the cost to travel to an out of state game or tournament? Curious because as I mentioned, there are players on teams that don't pay fees but they aren't able to travel with the team for anything that requires hotels or flights.
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I was a poor dad going up against all the rich dads in this sport four years ago. I didnt have any extra money to fly all over the country so my wife and i could watch the games and keep an eye on my goat. The Doc wanted her goals so wise guy Doc told me to just let her fly alone and they will take good care of her. I told him to fuck off and the rest is history....lol!!
 
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NewUser27 said:
does anyone really know of a boy that turned down DA because he couldn't play in HS? I dont and I know alot of soccer kids...HS sports is where its at just for the community aspect, the play is not anywhere near club soccer (top flight ) of course. Girls HS is horrendous , period.
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My son quit DA to play senior year of HS
 
lafalafa said:
You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.
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I'm not defending anything, I simply asked for you to back up and expand on a couple claims you made, that's all.
 
lafalafa said:
Read your clubs mls next agreement and the rules and regulations if you really want to know.

I can't share your clubs agreement but here are the rules and regulations
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The factor for membership of: "Ability to reduce or eliminate costs to the player" isn't an absolute in either in word, or practice. Its one of many factors that MLS Next considers and according to the regulations "it is expected that the following factors, among others, may be considered, with the weight of each factor to be decided by PDev in its sole and absolute discretion."

I didn't see any other reference (correct me if I'm wrong) in the regulations that requires clubs to provide no or low cost fees to all players. I suspect that any ability to provide some scholarship to some players is sufficient.

More power to those clubs that can provide low or no costs to the player, they should be commended (I'm going to assume LAG, LAFC and TFA). However, for many clubs its just not a reality to cover the costs of 100+ players, they should be expected to cover some costs for those in need, but for all is unrealistic. I seriously doubt that Strikers represented to MLS Next that all players would have no or low cost options.

Welcome aboard Strikers to MLS Next, you will be a huge asset to the league. It's been a rough start due to Covid but hopefully it will work itself out. Curious to see if there is any more fallout from ECNL. Rumor on the street is that Surf is trying to create a Super League for boys.
 
watfly said:
The factor for membership of: "Ability to reduce or eliminate costs to the player" isn't an absolute in either in word, or practice. Its one of many factors that MLS Next considers and according to the regulations "it is expected that the following factors, among others, may be considered, with the weight of each factor to be decided by PDev in its sole and absolute discretion."

I didn't see any other reference (correct me if I'm wrong) in the regulations that requires clubs to provide no or low cost fees to all players. I suspect that any ability to provide some scholarship to some players is sufficient.

More power to those clubs that can provide low or no costs to the player, they should be commended (I'm going to assume LAG, LAFC and TFA). However, for many clubs its just not a reality to cover the costs of 100+ players, they should be expected to cover some costs for those in need, but for all is unrealistic. I seriously doubt that Strikers represented to MLS Next that all players would have no or low cost options.

Welcome aboard Strikers to MLS Next, you will be a huge asset to the league. It's been a rough start due to Covid but hopefully it will work itself out. Curious to see if there is any more fallout from ECNL. Rumor on the street is that Surf is trying to create a Super League for boys.
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In the agreements if you read one. Specific language about low cost or no cost in a broad sense not a narrow focus.

Everyone applied under conditions and recommedations that are to be meant. There are not mentioning it in every document, rules, and regulations so that its ignored or to provide some sort of mystery scholarships to a couple token players. That is not the intention, clubs can ignore the recommendations or not implement them but like the agreements say there can be consequences of not following through.
 
lafalafa said:
See above post ask your club for there MLS agreement and review the rules and regulations if you want to really know.
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Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.
 
StrikerOC said:
Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.
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And the reason is because those three clubs would be left playing each other because our current youth soccer system isn't set up to work that way. As has been pointed out, none of the other non-MLS academy clubs could not financially pull that off. We have a pay to play system, and something would drastically need to change if MLS Next wants to make soccer no cost or low cost for all the youth players.
 
StrikerOC said:
Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.
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Did you read your clubs agreement? Where did I say anything about a requirement? Recommendations and conditions for acceptance is what I've been saying all along. Section v in the rules say they same thing.
 
BIGD said:
And the reason is because those three clubs would be left playing each other because our current youth soccer system isn't set up to work that way. As has been pointed out, none of the other non-MLS academy clubs could not financially pull that off. We have a pay to play system, and something would drastically need to change if MLS Next wants to make soccer no cost or low cost for all the youth players.
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News for you some of the non mls are doing that and did that in DA also.
 
lafalafa said:
Did you read your clubs agreement? Where did I say anything about a requirement? Recommendations and conditions for acceptance is what I've been saying all along. Section v in the rules say they same thing.
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The only requirement is that clubs have financial options available for players/families in order to be considered to join Next. Virtually every club that had a DA team has this sort of option for families.

You were insinuating that it is a league requirement which is false.
 
Whose got Next?

Look, when GDA was announced as the new girls super elite developmental league and the age change came on top of that four years ago, my phone rang off the hook from most of the old Docs ((except from Beach...lol)) looking to see if my goat would have any interest to come to their club and play for FREE!!! I mean free everything. Like no dues, no team fees, no travel cost and much much more.........I was told by all of them that the GDA is mandating that you your team flies for free and no dues for the GDA team. Come on folks, low cost anything is a dangerous phrase to use in the market place. GDA club teams needed to fully fund all GDA teams ((3 teams at the beginning)) or at least offer up some help to the poor families who can't cough up $15,000 a year to try to make the YNT.
 
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StrikerOC said:
The only requirement is that clubs have financial options available for players/families in order to be considered to join Next. Virtually every club that had a DA team has this sort of option for families.

You were insinuating that it is a league requirement which is false.
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Nope thats not I said. When a club applies they are asked to provide proof, track records of certain items, and agreement to follow recommedations.

Your defending pay to play since you have some sort of financial stake in the matter.

Your insinuating that NExt is just a regular pay to play league but they tell you at every avenue that's it not. From the application process, club agreement, rules and regulations they are specific mentions telling you that they want to be different.

The goal or recommendations are too provide many low or no cost options not a few token ones if a club wants to or not.

Even on there main page says the same

MLS NEXT - Programs

MLS NEXT is a new paradigm for player development. A platform that will transform the way players learn and grow.
www.mlssoccer.com www.mlssoccer.com

"MLS NEXT will also aim to provide more opportunities to more players to broaden the pool of talent entering the elite youth landscape. No cost and low-cost programs will be introduced around the country to reduce barriers for new players to enter the pathway to professional soccer"

Ignore it all you want but obviously it's all there for good reasons to expand the pool not keep it like it is where only certain "demographics" are given the opportunity to participate due to there family economy situations.
 
Long time follower of the forums here and what I have come up with is that for some reason Lafalafa has always had a bone to pick with Strikers , he always has a opinion on their club. Never ever a positive one, and always slides in a negative comment.
Perfectly fine to have a opinion.
I do agree with the the other posters, no where does it say what you are interpreting .
I personal TFA WAS a good club many moons ago, I liked their model of help kids (parents) afford to play.
I think some LA clubs are strong, and others aren't. Just like OC, theres great clubs and not so great.
Strikers Irvine is a small club that has done well , and as of recently (last 2 years) has been on the up tick with quality of players......
something is going right there Too have that many teams in the ECNL league on top , is not by chance....
Id be curious as too what club you play for and at what age group (dont need to know either) it does feel like you have something against that club:)
 
watfly said:
More power to those clubs that can provide low or no costs to the player, they should be commended (I'm going to assume LAG, LAFC and TFA). However, for many clubs its just not a reality to cover the costs of 100+ players, they should be expected to cover some costs for those in need, but for all is unrealistic. I seriously doubt that Strikers represented to MLS Next that all players would have no or low cost options.
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I can confirm that there are other clubs in the MLS Next league beyond the three mentioned that charge low (a few hundred dollars) or no club fees across-the-board for their MLS Next players (not just for those in financial need). Of course, the MLS Next teams haven't been jetting all around the country for games this year, so that makes it easier right now. Lost of clubs provided discounted fees this year in SoCal due to the pandemic.
 
lafalafa said:
Nope thats not I said. When a club applies they are asked to provide proof, track records of certain items, and agreement to follow recommedations.

Your defending pay to play since you have some sort of financial stake in the matter.

Your insinuating that NExt is just a regular pay to play league but they tell you at every avenue that's it not. From the application process, club agreement, rules and regulations they are specific mentions telling you that they want to be different.

The goal or recommendations are too provide many low or no cost options not a few token ones if a club wants to or not.

Even on there main page says the same

MLS NEXT - Programs

MLS NEXT is a new paradigm for player development. A platform that will transform the way players learn and grow.
www.mlssoccer.com www.mlssoccer.com

"MLS NEXT will also aim to provide more opportunities to more players to broaden the pool of talent entering the elite youth landscape. No cost and low-cost programs will be introduced around the country to reduce barriers for new players to enter the pathway to professional soccer"

Ignore it all you want but obviously it's all there for good reasons to expand the pool not keep it like it is where only certain "demographics" are given the opportunity to participate due to there family economy situations.
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Beating a dead horse, but I will indulge. I don't think anyone is defending "pay to play". We just don't believe its a requirement, or a reality, for all MLS Next teams, particulary non-MLS Academy teams, to fully fund, or have low cost for every player on their MLS Next teams. The two links you provided are pretty soft references and/or just hopes for low cost options. Now, I haven't seen the agreement between my Club and MLS Next so it could very well be a requirement as you claim...I can't dispute that. I hope I'm wrong and I will soon be paying no or low cost fees, I just don't see it being possible with all teams. Again I commend those clubs that can provide it, but I don't disparage those that can't. It's parents choice to write a check and for whatever amount they are comfortable with.
 
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