Strikers ECNL rumors

[lafalafa]

Call me crazy but "Ability to reduce or eliminate cost to the player" isn't legal language that requires a club to provide discounted/lowered or free services to a "team". It is speaking specifically about a case by case (player by player) scenario. The word "Ability" does not mean "mandatory".

They are recommending clubs provide low cost and no cost options for all players on teams.

You can read into what you want but if it's just normal pay to play that's not what NEXT wants otherwise it won't be mentioned or a criteria for acceptance.

We allready discussioned previously why some are sponsored, low, no cost vs straight pay to play and why NEXT recommends what they do.

If you want to pay to play there are plenty of leagues like ECNL where they don't care if you or your clubs does that.

 

[StrikerOC]

They are recommending clubs provide low cost and no cost options for all players on teams.

You can read into what you want but if it's just normal pay to play that's not what NEXT wants otherwise it won't be mentioned or a criteria for acceptance.

We allready discussioned previously why some are sponsored, low, no cost vs straight pay to play and why NEXT recommends what they do.

If you want to pay to play there are plenty of leagues like ECNL where they don't care if you or your clubs does that.

I don't know where you are seeing a "recommendation" on the link you provided. Unless you have another link or information that wasn't posted, it seems you you are interjecting your own desires (lower club fees) with which I agree with... with T&C's that aren't here.

 

[lafalafa]

I don't know where you are seeing a "recommendation" on the link you provided. Unless you have another link or information that wasn't posted, it seems you you are interjecting your own desires (lower club fees) with which I agree with... with T&C's that aren't here.

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If you followed the thread it was already referenced

"Prospective clubs must also demonstrate an ability to provide low or no-cost options for players to participate on MLS NEXT teams, creating opportunities for a more inclusive player pool"

We don't have club fees and neither do most of the other NEXT clubs in our area or at least they are reduced. I'm not injectioning anything and if you ask NExt personnel about this they will tell you the same thing, recommend low cost or no cost.

I asked that question previously and Strikers already went pay to play in DA and it really didn't turn out well, no championship, missed postseason many times, regulated to tier 2. Etc. If they repeat that in NEXT well I guess they didn't really learn too much.

 

[BIGD]

If you followed the thread it was already referenced

"Prospective clubs must also demonstrate an ability to provide low or no-cost options for players to participate on MLS NEXT teams, creating opportunities for a more inclusive player pool"

We don't have club fees and neither do most of the other NEXT clubs in our area or at least they are reduced. I'm not injectioning anything and if you ask NExt personnel about this they will tell you the same thing, recommend low cost or no cost.

I asked that question previously and Strikers already went pay to play in DA and it really didn't turn out well, no championship, missed postseason many times, regulated to tier 2. Etc. If they repeat that in NEXT well I guess they didn't really learn too much.

What about travel costs? How does your club handle that? Is most of the team able to afford the cost to travel to an out of state game or tournament? Curious because as I mentioned, there are players on teams that don't pay fees but they aren't able to travel with the team for anything that requires hotels or flights.

 

[StrikerOC]

If you followed the thread it was already referenced

"Prospective clubs must also demonstrate an ability to provide low or no-cost options for players to participate on MLS NEXT teams, creating opportunities for a more inclusive player pool"

We don't have club fees and neither do most of the other NEXT clubs in our area or at least they are reduced. I'm not injectioning anything and if you ask NExt personnel about this they will tell you the same thing, recommend low cost or no cost.

I asked that question previously and Strikers already went pay to play in DA and it really didn't turn out well, no championship, missed postseason many times, regulated to tier 2. Etc. If they repeat that in NEXT well I guess they didn't really learn too much.

It seems like we are talking past each other... Demonstrating the ability to do something and requiring a club to do something are two very different things. Again, if you have some more information that you aren't posting, please share it because I am curious but nothing you keep replying with is any sort of legal language or binding bylaw for Next.

You mentioned that "most" Next clubs don't have fees... Can you share that information? I would be curious to see where that is tracked...

Strikers is a solid club that turns out good players and kids. They have also produced many kids that have gone on to LAFC and LAG academy, not sure why you are hating?

 

[lafalafa]

It seems like we are talking past each other... Demonstrating the ability to do something and requiring a club to do something are two very different things. Again, if you have some more information that you aren't posting, please share it because I am curious but nothing you keep replying with is any sort of legal language or binding bylaw for Next.

You mentioned that "most" Next clubs don't have fees... Can you share that information? I would be curious to see where that is tracked...

Strikers is a solid club that turns out good players and kids. They have also produced many kids that have gone on to LAFC and LAG academy, not sure why you are hating?

You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.

 

[BIGD]

You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.

Well if it's not enforced, doesn't that make it optional?

 

[crush]

What about travel costs? How does your club handle that? Is most of the team able to afford the cost to travel to an out of state game or tournament? Curious because as I mentioned, there are players on teams that don't pay fees but they aren't able to travel with the team for anything that requires hotels or flights.

I was a poor dad going up against all the rich dads in this sport four years ago. I didnt have any extra money to fly all over the country so my wife and i could watch the games and keep an eye on my goat. The Doc wanted her goals so wise guy Doc told me to just let her fly alone and they will take good care of her. I told him to fuck off and the rest is history....lol!!

 

[Eagle33]

does anyone really know of a boy that turned down DA because he couldn't play in HS? I dont and I know alot of soccer kids...HS sports is where its at just for the community aspect, the play is not anywhere near club soccer (top flight ) of course. Girls HS is horrendous , period.

My son quit DA to play senior year of HS

 

[StrikerOC]

You can do your own research and searching to find the info. I live in LA so you can guess what clubs offer low cost and no costs options that follow the recommendations from Next.

Nobody is hating on the Strikers, your defending pay to play in NExt but referring to some ambiguous things about language saying it's all optional and you can just ignore it.

I'm not defending anything, I simply asked for you to back up and expand on a couple claims you made, that's all.

 

[lafalafa]

Well if it's not enforced, doesn't that make it optional?

Read your clubs mls next agreement and the rules and regulations if you really want to know.

I can't share your clubs agreement but here are the rules and regulations

https://bsbproduction.s3.amazonaws.com/portals/116/docs/mls%20next%20rules%20and%20regulations%202020-2021%20-%20final%20-%209.8.20.pdf

 

[Eagle33]

Read your clubs mls next agreement and the rules and regulations if you really want to know.

I can't share your clubs agreement but here are the rules and regulations

https://bsbproduction.s3.amazonaws.com/portals/116/docs/mls%20next%20rules%20and%20regulations%202020-2021%20-%20final%20-%209.8.20.pdf

DE is great salesman, he can sell you anything.

 

[lafalafa]

I'm not defending anything, I simply asked for you to back up and expand on a couple claims you made, that's all.

See above post ask your club for there MLS agreement and review the rules and regulations if you want to really know.

 

[watfly]

Read your clubs mls next agreement and the rules and regulations if you really want to know.

I can't share your clubs agreement but here are the rules and regulations

https://bsbproduction.s3.amazonaws.com/portals/116/docs/mls%20next%20rules%20and%20regulations%202020-2021%20-%20final%20-%209.8.20.pdf

The factor for membership of: "Ability to reduce or eliminate costs to the player" isn't an absolute in either in word, or practice. Its one of many factors that MLS Next considers and according to the regulations "it is expected that the following factors, among others, may be considered, with the weight of each factor to be decided by PDev in its sole and absolute discretion."

I didn't see any other reference (correct me if I'm wrong) in the regulations that requires clubs to provide no or low cost fees to all players. I suspect that any ability to provide some scholarship to some players is sufficient.

More power to those clubs that can provide low or no costs to the player, they should be commended (I'm going to assume LAG, LAFC and TFA). However, for many clubs its just not a reality to cover the costs of 100+ players, they should be expected to cover some costs for those in need, but for all is unrealistic. I seriously doubt that Strikers represented to MLS Next that all players would have no or low cost options.

Welcome aboard Strikers to MLS Next, you will be a huge asset to the league. It's been a rough start due to Covid but hopefully it will work itself out. Curious to see if there is any more fallout from ECNL. Rumor on the street is that Surf is trying to create a Super League for boys.

 

[lafalafa]

The factor for membership of: "Ability to reduce or eliminate costs to the player" isn't an absolute in either in word, or practice. Its one of many factors that MLS Next considers and according to the regulations "it is expected that the following factors, among others, may be considered, with the weight of each factor to be decided by PDev in its sole and absolute discretion."

I didn't see any other reference (correct me if I'm wrong) in the regulations that requires clubs to provide no or low cost fees to all players. I suspect that any ability to provide some scholarship to some players is sufficient.

More power to those clubs that can provide low or no costs to the player, they should be commended (I'm going to assume LAG, LAFC and TFA). However, for many clubs its just not a reality to cover the costs of 100+ players, they should be expected to cover some costs for those in need, but for all is unrealistic. I seriously doubt that Strikers represented to MLS Next that all players would have no or low cost options.

Welcome aboard Strikers to MLS Next, you will be a huge asset to the league. It's been a rough start due to Covid but hopefully it will work itself out. Curious to see if there is any more fallout from ECNL. Rumor on the street is that Surf is trying to create a Super League for boys.

In the agreements if you read one. Specific language about low cost or no cost in a broad sense not a narrow focus.

Everyone applied under conditions and recommedations that are to be meant. There are not mentioning it in every document, rules, and regulations so that its ignored or to provide some sort of mystery scholarships to a couple token players. That is not the intention, clubs can ignore the recommendations or not implement them but like the agreements say there can be consequences of not following through.

 

[StrikerOC]

See above post ask your club for there MLS agreement and review the rules and regulations if you want to really know.

Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.

 

[BIGD]

Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.

And the reason is because those three clubs would be left playing each other because our current youth soccer system isn't set up to work that way. As has been pointed out, none of the other non-MLS academy clubs could not financially pull that off. We have a pay to play system, and something would drastically need to change if MLS Next wants to make soccer no cost or low cost for all the youth players.

 

[lafalafa]

Thanks for posting the link. I actually just got done reading the entire agreement and there is nothing covering the verbiage or concept which you keep saying is a requirement. I don't know who or where you are drawing these conclusions but there isn't anything to support them.

Did you read your clubs agreement? Where did I say anything about a requirement? Recommendations and conditions for acceptance is what I've been saying all along. Section v in the rules say they same thing.

 

[lafalafa]

And the reason is because those three clubs would be left playing each other because our current youth soccer system isn't set up to work that way. As has been pointed out, none of the other non-MLS academy clubs could not financially pull that off. We have a pay to play system, and something would drastically need to change if MLS Next wants to make soccer no cost or low cost for all the youth players.

News for you some of the non mls are doing that and did that in DA also.

 

[StrikerOC]

Did you read your clubs agreement? Where did I say anything about a requirement? Recommendations and conditions for acceptance is what I've been saying all along. Section v in the rules say they same thing.

The only requirement is that clubs have financial options available for players/families in order to be considered to join Next. Virtually every club that had a DA team has this sort of option for families.

You were insinuating that it is a league requirement which is false.