Bruddah IZ
DA
EUA's are a nice precedent for bypassing rigorous testing and regulatory review in the future. Shocking isn't it? Tyrants typically have a sense of false consciousness. Moral posturing cracks me up.
Seven stages of Covid.. keep playing and find out how far you will go!
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EUA's are a nice precedent for bypassing rigorous testing and regulatory review in the future. Shocking isn't it? Tyrants typically have a sense of false consciousness. Moral posturing cracks me up.
Bruddah IZ
DA
[T]he majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.-- TJ
Bruddah IZ
DA
As an employee of the Commonwealth of Virginia, I had the honor of receiving an email message: “Vaccinations and Mask Wearing.” The message spoke of further requirements:
Vaccination remains the most effective means of protection. We know the vaccines work—since January, more than 98% of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths have been among unvaccinated Virginians. Do your part and get your shot.
I guess the 98% line is used pervasively. My father urges my 20-year-old daughter, who has had Covid, to get vaccinated. He gives the same 98% line. I guess it’s repeated on television or in the newspaper. I come from a family of lifelong lefties.
The 98% propaganda is the fallacy of mistaking an “If A, then B” statement with its inverse. I don’t know how true the 98% claim is, but let’s suppose it’s true. In fact, let’s suppose it’s 100%, not 98%.
That’s the “If A, then B” statement. If vaccinated (A), then no hospitalization and death from Covid (B).
The inverse of an “If A, then B” statement is: “If B, then A.”
In this case, the inverse would be: “If one avoids hospitalization and death from Covid, then one is vaccinated.” That statement is false.
The truth of an “If A, then B” statement does not by any means ensure the truth of the inverse (“If B, then A”).
For example: “If one is a pediatrician, then one is a doctor” does not imply “If one is a doctor, then one is a pediatrician.”
My father, in fact, is a pediatrician, now retired. He urges my daughter (his granddaughter) to get vaccinated. He tries to justify that urging by saying: “Everyone who is vaccinated avoids hospitalization and death from Covid.”
But if there are other surefire ways to avoid hospitalization and death, the justification may be a complete non sequitur.
We can equally say, I tell Dad:
Everyone who has recovered from Covid infection avoids subsequent hospitalization and death.
Everyone who is 20 years old avoids subsequent hospitalization and death.
My daughter, then, on two counts, doesn’t need a vaccination to avoid hospitalization and death from Covid. Meanwhile, there is so much about the vaccination, its development, its rollout, its liability status, and so on that is unknown and irregular—downright bizarre. The matter is not so simple.
Authoritarianism indoctrinates its votaries and buffaloes others into a false and oversimplified worldview, in which the only important factor is vaccination. But the causes of hospitalization and death are multifarious.
The causes that pertain to the individual are known best by the individual. Contrary to diktats, freedom enables individuals to act on the basis of his or her particular conditions, such as whether she has had Covid, whether she is young, whether she has comorbidities, and so on.
Covid authoritarians might say that everyone has to be vaccinated because of spreading. That, too, doesn’t acknowledge natural immunity. As for the rest, the possibility of asymptomatic transmission of the Covid-19 virus from the unvaccinated is extremely low. So again, all the authoritarians seem to have is propaganda.
Tomorrow my daughter and I shall go visit Dad. I’m vaccinated. But we’ll do a test the day of, just to make sure. Focused Protection.
Just wait till late Sept.
Bruddah IZ
DA
That's about 16 million of you in the U.S..
Not how politics works.
They won’t go back to significant restrictions at this point. Too unpopular.
Easier to just try to get vaccines out to anyone who will listen, and privately shrug when two thousand or so anti-vax folks die this winter.
what-happened
GOLD
I know you have a sarcastic streak but your take is just wrong. The issue in your state is messaging to your black and hispanic communities. They make up the majority of the unvaccinated. Until someone figures it out, they will remain unvaccinated. Are they anti-vax? maybe. I bet their natural immunity is through the roof though. While many stayed home last year, they had to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. It's a shame the message is so politcial. As a progressive utopia, CA should be on top of this and ensuring those that need the vaccine get it. Or at least get better messaging other than get jabbed or else.
This delta surge is at least increasing their vaccination rates. Fear is driving them, not the public health system. Let's work on getting teachers vaccinated, and leave the kids alone.
why would you bet that?
I believe it was the next sentence in that post, which clearly insinuated that a greater percentage of the population in question may work in essential ‘in-person’ industries.
So you think they are immune by prior infection, which may show up in antibody tests?
what-happened
GOLD
He knows the deal..
what-happened
GOLD
You catch on quick.
Shows up in county case data.
For SCC, Latinos are getting covid at twice the rate of the overall population. Whites and Asians are getting covid at a little under half the rate of the overall population.
So, yes. Our Latino residents have a higher rate of natural immunity than our white and Asian residents.
The hints at racial bias were neither warranted nor helpful.
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
Keep negotiating, wheeling and dealing …you may find out.
abc7.com
Florida teen who was hospitalized with COVID wants to get vaccinated, says others should too
A Florida teen who spent 11 days on a ventilator after she contracted COVID-19 has a message for her peers and others.
abc7.com
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
South Dakota has the highest rate of infection in the US this month. That’s also interesting.What demographic is that again?Shows up in county case data.
For SCC, Latinos are getting covid at twice the rate of the overall population. Whites and Asians are getting covid at a little under half the rate of the overall population.
Covid Surges Nearly 700% In South Dakota After Sturgis Motorcycle Rally—An Even Higher Rate Than Last Year
Parts of South Dakota that had very few coronavirus cases are seeing a significant jump in infections and hospitalizations after the 2021 Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.www.forbes.com
Covid Surges Nearly 700% In South Dakota After Sturgis Motorcycle Rally—An Even Higher Rate Than Last Year
Parts of South Dakota that had very few coronavirus cases are seeing a significant jump in infections and hospitalizations after the 2021 Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.
So, yes. Our Latino residents have a higher rate of natural immunity than our white and Asian residents.
The hints at racial bias were neither warranted nor helpful.
Unfortunately a demographic with a high BMI,…
and a latitude that… who am I kidding, you get respitory Illnesses after all. (These extra … are… kinda fun…)
Care to be a bit more direct with your comment?
Always interested in the opinions of the Tier 1A Covid vaccine group. Which box did you check off there BTW?
No need for me to take the bait on that.
My county has a large underhoused population who could not switch to work by zoom. Any group with the same housing and work conditions would have had a rough time of it, too.
The state with the highest rate of increase right now is actually Maine. A mix of red and blue…somehow though I bet it’s Ron desantis’s fault.
Sill looking for high percentage rates of increase in places with low past infections?
You could just sort everyone by [ seroprevalence estimate + Vaccine rate ]. The low end of the sort will give you a nice list of places you can use to falsely claim that various NPI are not effective.
Errr. Maine only has a very limited mask mandate (schools and certain other areas).
I agree you can sort it that way but that’s also bad news for any sort of herd immunity threshold since pre widespread vaccinated and pre the current wave, the seroprevalence estimate for Los Angeles stood at just under 50% (as did India pre delta in most major cities).
the line is moving northward. You yourself said the dakotas had foolishly blown through natural immunity. We’ll get to see how that holds up too.