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Of the guys/Clubs on that list the majority haven’t been with ECNL. Most were with Academy and when that just recently folded they were only
Given RL status for ECNL which is a slight if anything. Hardly In cahoots.
SCDSL Splitting Off from Cal South
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Given RL status for ECNL which is a slight if anything. Hardly In cahoots.
We've had a great relationship with Coast, but we told them back in August that we were going to withdraw from league play this fall because we felt it was the best thing for our families from a public health perspective. So we committed to just training as much as we can, hunkering down, and hoping to come out stronger on the other side. Our families have been incredibly supportive, and we've been able to retain our coaches, so while everyone would rather be playing, we've been fortunate and know it could be a lot worse.
The issue now is: what will SoCal soccer look like on "the other side?" And where does an ambitious, independent, competitive club fit in? We're still trying to figure that out.
It's a drag, though. Southern California has so much collective power in youth soccer; if we looked at ourselves as, essentially, a small country and created our own standards for development/scouting and our own unified pyramid for competition, we wouldn't need to drive six hours each way to play a couple of decent Arizona clubs (no offense, Arizonans). The "brand" we'd be developing would be SoCal soccer, not just a few super-clubs. I'm basically pitching Das Reboot for SoCal. And I have nothing but respect for ECNL, et. al. They do a great job and fill a need. It just seems like there was another way to fill that need in our area that would have been more coherent and...interesting. And ultimately better for a lot of kids.
SoccerFan4Life
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You are right when it comes to the elite teams. You are 100% incorrect on the 90% of the teams that play this cup. If you want to play the best of the best then go to ECNL. Besides remember that calsouth did have a way for the best teams to play against other teams outside of calsouth.
I am looking at this for the average team. What do they gain?
So you’re asking what the average team that plays against average competition gain?
A significant upgrade in facilities for a cheaper price.
The question is what do Presidio and CSL clubs do? Like the Clash song says: “should I stay or should I go”
I would take the "Pro" track if my dd was under 13. I wouldn't have cared one eye oh ta. Anyone with an English accent and a soccer ball and they say, "come over here, we have "The List" and the pathway to the Pros" and I'm all in.....lol!!!! The viscous cycle never ends. It's just re-creates itself every 3 three years. My dd 2014-2015 SCDSL team still holds the record of giving up ZERO goals in our SCDSL season. Guys, zero goals!!! Then we won State Cup!!!
That was my song when the age change came. I played that song for two years at least in my head. Should we stay Blue or should we go for free ride? Tough choices one has when they only have -$13 in their checking account. I know I did a poor job saving for rainy day fund and it's all my fault, but man, some folks like to take advantage of poor dad with really good goat soccer player. I will say try and find a good coach that will coach your dd forever. Lot's of coaches hop around too so be careful following your super duper coach all over the place.
SoccerFan4Life
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Here’s the facts:
- youth soccer participation is down 4% from 2017 to 2018
- average kid quits at age 11
- travel and cost are the biggest reasons for parents no longer joining club.
I’m asking for the average team to play local teams from csl, presidio, heck even Hispanic leagues. A few years back my 7 year old flight 3 team daughter had to travel to San Diego, Temecula, Redlands during her 2nd year of club soccer. All we had to do was play 5 of the local teams that were in CSL at that time.
We are going into a horrible economic situation in 2021 and the big fix for scdsl is now you can travel to NorCal for a true state championship?
I agree. Stay local and play local. As kids get older and you see who is who, some of the best will look for the travel circuit. My dd was recruited as a 7 year old by 5 teams out of Temecula and by the time she was 10, every top Doc in Socal was blowing up my phone and email. Free free free. I mean, the coaches came to her game and then we got the tryout invites every weekend. 7-10 years old and all this attention? It wasnt just my kid either, all the kids were told they had potential to be the next Mia. I should have stayed local like coach Howard said. He tried to warn me and i wouldnt listen.
Completely agree. There is no good reason a flight 3 team in a dense area should be travelling more than about 20 minutes.
I bet the hispanic league teams and higher end of AYSO would be happy to work with you. USYS and USClub, as you noticed, are not really interested in how to make a cheaper flight 3. They are interested in who gets to siphon money from parents who dream of being on top of flight 1.
Aren't you supposed to be teaching online Math class right about now? You should be focused on the students, not us crazy parents. Nice gig you got btw. My buddy has 6 more years and then he is set, so he thinks. Money is running dry in those 401b3 or whatever they call it.
Coach in suit: You know Mama Bear, if you give me two years with your player ((slow and not very athletic)) I can get her to my A team. She's a B player today but in two years, I will get her on my A team. Besides the $2500, I would recommend her to join my private two days a week training ((extar cost)) plus my speed training ((extra)).
Mama Bear: Sounds good to me
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A few years back my boy's u15 team flight 1 team joined a local PSSU summer league. This league was a non SCDSL/CSL league. We played all hispanic teams in nice fields (St John Bosco) and horrible fields. We paid about $450 for 12 games and all within 20 miles of our base. These teams were scrappy and very good. The quality was incredible and if you put these teams in an SCDSL league, they would be at a minimum flight 1 to discovery. The only bad part was the brawls between players and parents. We made the championship game because there was a brawl in the other semi's game so our semi final game became the final game.
Well did last night with the release of the interim Youth Sports return to play guidance.
Seems like the last nail in the coffin for 20-21 for any SoCal based organizations or leagues(CSL, DSL, presidio) outside the clubs.
If surf requires traveling papers for CS teams good luck with getting those now and not sure there is a way for those registered teams to play out of state now unless they register with another sanctioning body.
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I was mostly referring to the atmosphere and overall quality of the existing state cup. For all teams. Not just the competition. It hasn’t felt like big deal in years. Going to surf cup feels and looks like an event along with big handful of other tournaments. That how state cup should be. It should be the biggest and best event of the season which I think is where we’re now heading. Aside from that for the “average team” your also getting more games and now that league games mean something towards the State Cup bracketing you’ll have more transparency among the seedlings. And for the run of the mill average teams that tend to lose players the second League play and the roster freeze is over you’ll now have fall/winter league and state cup extending through January giving those teams the ability to get through winter break alot easier. Going back to the control of the schedule being fairly key in this whole move/transition. The regional events I think your referring to for playing out of cal south teams the number of teams now being sent to those regional portions of the tournament are gonna be doubled compared to what Cal south was sending. More teams qualifying. Trust me I’m always a big devils advocate but there’s really little to no downside with this maneuver.
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It’s about trying to do couple other things better than cal south as well. ODP vs ID2 & PDP, lots of changes and differences. Coaching education being a big one as well. The availability and options for coaching education and courses with this new format makes things a lot easier to access. Schedule being key again. Go ahead and Try to register for a “D” license or higher and the dates conflict with the majority of coaches gaming schedules. Not anymore. Cal South grew complacent over the years and with Zero competition why wouldn’t they.
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Presidio has about 52 , SCDSL 70 and CSL has almost Double SCDSL But about the identical number of teams in both leagues.
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Found the person who keeps getting scheduled at Galway Downs!
SoccerFan4Life
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So now scdsl state cup will be to “ come and play 50% of the teams in SoCal. If you win, you get to pay a lot of travel money to play teams in NorCal”.
Put a poll out to see what most think about the new changes. I could be one of the few that doesn’t find much value.
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No. State cup isn’t limited to only SCDSL teams. All teams can enter to play barring they can meet the play dates. And the Nor Cal/So Cal portion will alternate every other year. One year down here, one year up there and so on.