SCDSL Splitting Off from Cal South

If scdsl can get the larger csl and presidio teams to join, then this makes a lot of sense. The biggest loss is state cup and CRL. Does anyone know how many clubs are in csl and presidio?

CSL might stick with but they already run the SCNPL in the spring in conjunction with USclub. They could expand to the fall and offer clubs alternatives to CS

The newer SWNPL another Usclub league already has the go for Fall and Spring in the South counties.

Usclub has been expanding exponentially in SoCal, with the rise of ECxx, NPL's, and + ~ 36k members from DSL in 21-22'.
 
Here you go folks. All of your answers are in this presentation:
SCSDL Presentation

Pay close attention to the 2nd to last slide.
These are the SCDSL Technical Committee members that made this decision:
Alberto Bru: Real So Cal
Jon Szczuka: Pateadores
Reggie Rivas: California Athletics SC (who?). He is also the Vice President of Archer Travel Group (guess which company helps teams travel for tournaments?
Mauricio Ingrassia: Beach FC
Josh Hodges: Legends FC
Tad Bobak: SoCal Blues
Don Ebert: Strikers FC

These are the guys (notice there are no females) that created SCDSL in the 1st place. They are (mostly) the guys that ECNL (or ECNL RL) has been working with. ECNL is under US Club Soccer. So now they can register their ECNL players to play in SCDSL competitions (and crush the local clubs by bringing in ECNL ringers. They could do this before - but they had to also register that player with Cal-South).

You do realize that the original post included the presentation that you think you are so proudly posting now right? No one is shocked at what you are posting. It's no secret. It's even on the SCDSL website (gasp at the transparency). No women? The league is run by a woman last time I checked and good for her!

I don't, and have never seen anything about any relationship or mandatory booking for SCDSL teams through Archer Travel. What a pot-stirrer you like to be. No facts, just drumming up paranoia and conspiracy theories. It's fairly comical.

And just because those are the guys on the Technical Committee doesn't mean they are there forever. I'd love to know what club you are with and why you hate on scdsl so hard. You refuse to see anything positive and just want to keep drumming up shit.
 
We have Micehelle Chesters (Romero). Who someone earlier pointed out is also part of Surf Cup Sports.
Notice the 3 venues mentioned - Silverlakes, Surf and Oceanside. And who these venues are tied too.
What about Great Park?
Here we go again TimBucktwo. Who cares who the venues are tied to as long as the teams don't have to travel far to play games. Doesn't that make the relationships beneficial all the way around? Or would you rather drive to Bakersifield so that no one gets your $10 for parking in Southern Cal? Relationships are what makes the world go-round. Good and bad. If scdsl has relationships with Silverlakes, Oceanside and Del Mar who cares? Great Park is great, and super expensive. Trust me our club knows and I've got the team fees to prove it. So what are you whining about now? What do you think you are bringing to everyone's attention that everyone doesn't already know?
 
CSL might stick with but they already run the SCNPL in the spring in conjunction with USclub. They could expand to the fall and offer clubs alternatives to CS

The newer SWNPL another Usclub league already has the go for Fall and Spring in the South counties.

Usclub has been expanding exponentially in SoCal, with the rise of ECxx, NPL's, and + ~ 36k members from DSL in 21-22'.
Me thinks this is all about to change.
 
What do you think you are bringing to everyone's attention that everyone doesn't already know?

In your opinion, what’s the positive of this change for a regular soccer player? Why shouldn’t we be annoyed by the changes? To me scdsl just watered down state cup.
 
You do realize that the original post included the presentation that you think you are so proudly posting now right? No one is shocked at what you are posting. It's no secret. It's even on the SCDSL website (gasp at the transparency). No women? The league is run by a woman last time I checked and good for her!

I don't, and have never seen anything about any relationship or mandatory booking for SCDSL teams through Archer Travel. What a pot-stirrer you like to be. No facts, just drumming up paranoia and conspiracy theories. It's fairly comical.

And just because those are the guys on the Technical Committee doesn't mean they are there forever. I'd love to know what club you are with and why you hate on scdsl so hard. You refuse to see anything positive and just want to keep drumming up shit.
I actually didn't realize the the presentation was in the 1st post. It looked like a banner ad to me. Sorry about that.
This change will have very little impact on me or where my kids play. They want to play competitive games. I want them to play where I don't have to drive more than hour. And I'd like it at a fair price (which based on current market rates for youth sports- they are getting).
I called out certain relationships because when things are listed as "best for the players", I think that the players were probably near the bottom of the list on the reasons for this change (and on the list of reasons for DA to be formed and then disbanded; the age group change; the creation of DPL; merging/affiliation of clubs; etc).
 
I actually didn't realize the the presentation was in the 1st post. It looked like a banner ad to me. Sorry about that.
This change will have very little impact on me or where my kids play. They want to play competitive games. I want them to play where I don't have to drive more than hour. And I'd like it at a fair price (which based on current market rates for youth sports- they are getting).
I called out certain relationships because when things are listed as "best for the players", I think that the players were probably near the bottom of the list on the reasons for this change (and on the list of reasons for DA to be formed and then disbanded; the age group change; the creation of DPL; merging/affiliation of clubs; etc).
I think better competitive options in a league is better for the players. The NorCal vs SoCal completion is great for the players that get to comets in that. A more evolved State Cup format for less money is great for the players And the parents especially when those games are closer to home. More games, more touches on the ball, more college exposure for those aged players, more coaching education which makes better coaches makes the players, more opportunities in a PDP program that doesn’t cost the players to participate like it costs them now, top division games that play for something other than just the winner of a top division.
I think all of those things help the players. The league and state cup are cheaper than what teams pay now so that helps the parents too.
Scdsl didn’t have anything to do with the DA debacle, forming for DPL or the age group change so I don’t think they can be blamed for US Soccers mistakes or Duggan,Gins wanting to make money by forming DPL.
I think what scdsl is great for the players when you analyze what’s actually being offered. They are charging less for more and you don’t have to drive far to get it. What’s wrong with that?
 
I think better competitive options in a league is better for the players. The NorCal vs SoCal completion is great for the players that get to comets in that. A more evolved State Cup format for less money is great for the players And the parents especially when those games are closer to home. More games, more touches on the ball, more college exposure for those aged players, more coaching education which makes better coaches makes the players, more opportunities in a PDP program that doesn’t cost the players to participate like it costs them now, top division games that play for something other than just the winner of a top division.
I think all of those things help the players. The league and state cup are cheaper than what teams pay now so that helps the parents too.
Scdsl didn’t have anything to do with the DA debacle, forming for DPL or the age group change so I don’t think they can be blamed for US Soccers mistakes or Duggan,Gins wanting to make money by forming DPL.
I think what scdsl is great for the players when you analyze what’s actually being offered. They are charging less for more and you don’t have to drive far to get it. What’s wrong with that?
Aside from State Cup - why couldn't SCDSL make some of these changes under CalSouth? (Generally curious- I'm done stirring shit for the night)
 
So it seems to me that the clubs that are promoting SCDSL are the same clubs that moved to ECNL. So will we have two tracks in SoCal, roughly organized as follows?

One track:
ECNL
ECRL
Discovery
SCDSL

Another Track:
MLS Next GA
EA DPL
SDDA
CSL/Presidio

Am I wrong?
 
Aside from State Cup - why couldn't SCDSL make some of these changes under CalSouth? (Generally curious- I'm done stirring shit for the night)
Because Cal South hasn’t been good at anything for a long time. They had their chance. They haven’t served their customers in a long time. They take the money and offer very little in return. NorCal made this move a few years ago and now there is no USYS in NorCal. Why? Because they offered a better program, for less money and were successful at it. Which all benefits the players, and the clubs those players play for.
But since we are having a good conversation about this, let me turn it around back to you. Why should scdsl stick with Cal South?
 
Because Cal South hasn’t been good at anything for a long time. They had their chance. They haven’t served their customers in a long time. They take the money and offer very little in return. NorCal made this move a few years ago and now there is no USYS in NorCal. Why? Because they offered a better program, for less money and were successful at it. Which all benefits the players, and the clubs those players play for.
But since we are having a good conversation about this, let me turn it around back to you. Why should scdsl stick with Cal South?

Probably not a great reason - But because we are in the middle of a pandemic and nobody knows what the club landscape will look like when we come out the other end of this. And because making this kind of change is going to be a bit messy at first (my opinion) and we've had enough of a mess the past 6-7 years in youth soccer. Hopefully it's amazing and neither players, coaches or parents will notice any negative differences once we start playing games again someday. But I guess since we've had a bit of a pause- it gives SCDSL the chance to get ready for this. Maybe this has been their plan for a while, but they were just too damn busy to execute on it.

(I'll also add that the "less money" side of things doesn't seem like it's that much money in the grand scheme of things. Will my player get a $6.00 discount next year? And typically a "Discount" to sign a new customer on leads to a price increase in a few years)
 
Because Cal South hasn’t been good at anything for a long time. They had their chance. They haven’t served their customers in a long time. They take the money and offer very little in return. NorCal made this move a few years ago and now there is no USYS in NorCal. Why? Because they offered a better program, for less money and were successful at it. Which all benefits the players, and the clubs those players play for.
But since we are having a good conversation about this, let me turn it around back to you. Why should scdsl stick with Cal South?

Because the new product is not much of a difference to what we have today.

We also lose state cup and that was a huge selling point for parents and players. Merging scdsl with csl and presidio should be the biggest priority.
 
So it seems to me that the clubs that are promoting SCDSL are the same clubs that moved to ECNL. So will we have two tracks in SoCal, roughly organized as follows?

One track:
ECNL
ECRL
Discovery
SCDSL

Another Track:
MLS Next GA
EA DPL
SDDA
CSL/Presidio

Am I wrong?
IMO - discovery NPL will be better quality teams than ECRL (Beach and Legends are the exceptions and should be ECNL next year). Most ECRL teams are average teams but since they can play in scdsl State Cup they can prove themselves to the contrary. And Discovery NPL seems to have a better way to playoffs and college showcases than ECRL but we will see how ECRL evolves.

Track 2 - within 2 years will be MLS Next and maybe GAL. That’s a soft maybe because they don’t have the money behind them to be anything nationally grand like what ECNL is. NWSL has no money to invest in this. MLS isn’t going to invest in it as they will struggle keeping MLS Next together and just wait until things start happening in that league and the non-MLS clubs that thought it was super cool to be a part of that league suddenly find their players are going to the MLS clubs and they one day wake up and realize they were just feeder teams all along.

GAL will never be an ECNL juggernaut. US Soccer couldn’t compete with ECNL and GAL surely won’t be able to either.

DPL, SDDA will be gone within 1-2 years. I take that back, SDDA will be like CSL Premier. A bunch of silver level teams promoted to Premier or SDDA to fill the gap of everyone that left.

CSL/Presidio will try to do something to stay relevant but they are still living in the dark ages with Cal South and they will still have leagues in some capacity. My guess is their first move will be a joint playoff between the two leagues. They will try and find a way to offer something to their membership but it will be very lackluster. The lipstick on that pig will be bright and shiny but a pig is still a pig.
 
Probably not a great reason - But because we are in the middle of a pandemic and nobody knows what the club landscape will look like when we come out the other end of this. And because making this kind of change is going to be a bit messy at first (my opinion) and we've had enough of a mess the past 6-7 years in youth soccer. Hopefully it's amazing and neither players, coaches or parents will notice any negative differences once we start playing games again someday. But I guess since we've had a bit of a pause- it gives SCDSL the chance to get ready for this. Maybe this has been their plan for a while, but they were just too damn busy to execute on it.

(I'll also add that the "less money" side of things doesn't seem like it's that much money in the grand scheme of things. Will my player get a $6.00 discount next year? And typically a "Discount" to sign a new customer on leads to a price increase in a few years)
I think it’s the overall savings per team which equates to some amount for the player but also the added value of the other programming that won’t cost the players anything and less travel, more competition and more opportunity.
Coming out of COVID kids should be excited to play again. Something new and exciting helps promote that. While I think we all have to be aware of the cost factor involved the more for less philosophy will help during the transitional year to get everyone back out and playing again.
 
So it seems to me that the clubs that are promoting SCDSL are the same clubs that moved to ECNL. So will we have two tracks in SoCal, roughly organized as follows?

One track:
ECNL
ECRL
Discovery
SCDSL

Another Track:
MLS Next GA
EA DPL
SDDA
CSL/Presidio

Am I wrong?

Not wrong but incomplete moving target w/ 3 or more tracks;

USclub:
ECNL
ECRL
NPL: West, SCNPL, SWNPL, DSLNP (Discovery)
SCDSL
USPL (youth)

USL A (USSF)
MLS Next (USYS)
EA
GA
DPL (USSSA)

Cal South (USYS)
CSL
Presidio & SDDA
 
Not wrong but incomplete moving target w/ 3 or more tracks;

USclub:
ECNL
ECRL
NPL: West, SCNPL, SWNPL, DSLNP (Discovery)
SCDSL
USPL (youth)

USL A (USSF)
MLS Next (USYS)
EA
GA
DPL (USSSA)

Cal South (USYS)
CSL
Presidio & SDDA
I think my list was wrong to call tracks, more like Club alignment.

So my son has played Presidio, SDDA, SCDSL, DA and now MLS Next. Jury is out on MLS Next, but SCDSL was by far the worst run and most disorganized. Lucky to get refs to show up, schedule mishaps, poor communication and terrible fields (some of which was Club, not necessarily SCDSL, related). Was our year in SCDSL just an anomaly? Can SCDSL pull this off?
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to reiterate my statement that we are currently in the middle of a black swan event for club soccer in California. Real disposable income is dropping. Club sports are the first things to go in times of economic insecurity and this is going to be a million times worse than post-9/11 or 2008. All of the moves you're going to see over the next six months are in trying to grab a larger slice of a rapidly-dwindling pie.

If this kills Cal South, that's fantastic, but let's face facts about how shitty the landscape is in general right now. There are a ton of quality players, maybe not the superstars but good solid quality players whose parents are bailing on the sport. I think we're going to be devastated when fall 2021 schedules come out. "What happened to X, what happened to Y..."
. Except this has been in the works since things were going well. Wasn’t quite devolved over night or over Covid. Plus financially when it comes to Cal South theres a lack of transparency of where the money goes. Although even if it is about money if someone can do it bigger and better for the same price which that’s what this is then why not.
 
As a manager of a youth team, I don’t see any value other than maybe not playing in Lancaster for state cup. I am not a fan of tournaments but State Cup/National Cup is the real deal. If we can’t play against CSL or Presidio teams, it dilutes the tournament significantly. I will be raising my concerns to our club.
They should have just merged with CSL and Presidio to decrease the travel distance during the regular season. Oh that’s right, I forgot that they are doing this to make more money!!!!
Sorry but Not a good take. The last 10 years State cup hasn’t been one of any teams top 3 tournaments on their schedule let alone the real deal. This new state cup guarantees a minimum of 5 games and each round you advance its brackets so 3 more games guaranteed each additional round. Your also missing that it’s now a real state championship because Nor Cal is included in the tournament which makes it larger than Cal South’s event. Also you’ll see the CSL and Presido teams start to flow to the SCDSL state Cup since it’s still an open event. Not that it makes a big difference since most existing state cup champions come from SCDSL anyways. Scdsl was started by leaving CSL for a whole mess of reasons. No way should they merge.
 
We have Micehelle Chesters (Romero). Who someone earlier pointed out is also part of Surf Cup Sports.
Notice the 3 venues mentioned - Silverlakes, Surf and Oceanside. And who these venues are tied too.
What about Great Park?
Great Park is also included
 
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