Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

whatithink said:
We're not "letting", that's the soccer game. They have to get good grades too, although there was the scam you mentioned for that.

As to who goes to the elite universities, it's not a meritocracy and never was. Getting in on academic or athletic merit alone is a hard path - doable if you have the brains, ability and application.
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and connections for some. Mr Singer ring a bell?
 
Soccerfan2 said:
There's a pretty big gap between Santa Rosa, Lamorinda and some others in that larger area in terms of player skill. The bay area has a good number of exceptional players and some exceptional teams (though some of those teams could look a little different here shortly).
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I believe there are some good coaches and kids in the bay area but I think they’re “victims of circumstance.” Mainly the lack of soccer culture and the insane commutes to and from practice. While kids in the bay area are commuting back and forth to practice my kid and her friends are playing with a ball AND getting cool points for doing it.
 
So looking at the Soccer Wire top 40 that leaves:

1. Top Hat (GA)
5. FC Dallas (TX)
8. Legends (CA)
9. Beach (CA)
10. SJ Earthquakes (CA)
16. FC Virginia (VA)
25. NEFC (MA)
26. Sporting Blue Valley (KS)
28. Cincinnati DA (OH)
29. Lonestar (TX)
32. South Shore Select (MA)
35. LA Galaxy (CA)
37. Nationals (MI)
 
Ellejustus said:
GDA was 100% closed to public schools kids unless you gave up your peers, don;t play for your hs and so on. That is why this USSF company failed. 100%. If they allow HS we would be hearing why GDA won;t let so and so club in. Jay was making $700,000+ a year and that was an issue. He takes off and Mr Wilson steps in. He gets hit with all this stuff he had no idea about two weeks ago. Cindy and Ernie had no clue too. Classic blame everyone. I blamed everything on the USSF and I still do. ECNL is a private company, that's their right.
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Actually, a couple of my dd high school friends were on her DA team, go figure. Duh.
 
Ellejustus said:
Good takes. Tad wants to win at U11, u12, u13 and every year. He teaches life, be a good a kid and work hard so you can go to college. He used to tell me this is a business. He would ask me, "Who are the customers?" I would say, "The kids?" He would say, "No, its the parents." Then he would ask me, "what do the parents want?" I would say, "win?" He would say, "no, they want their kid playing in college." Blues does not sell YNT access, ODP, Pro. They sell college and there's nothing wrong with that. I confessed here many times I was going for the best coach for my dd and win state cup, A Naty and go unto the pros and YNT.....lol. I see more everyday how foolish I was. It all smacked me in the face when she was in 8th grade. I will spare you all the rest of the story....lol
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Then why does TAD recruit players who have already committed to college? Haha
 
Surf Zombie said:
So looking at the Soccer Wire top 40 that leaves:

1. Top Hat (GA)
5. FC Dallas (TX)
8. Legends (CA)
9. Beach (CA)
10. SJ Earthquakes (CA)
16. FC Virginia (VA)
25. NEFC (MA)
26. Sporting Blue Valley (KS)
28. Cincinnati DA (OH)
29. Lonestar (TX)
32. South Shore Select (MA)
35. LA Galaxy (CA)
37. Nationals (MI)
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I think Tophat gets in plus one more in the NE, and that is it for 2020. Others can reapply in 2021, if they hang onto their players and remain strong.
 
MacDre said:
I believe there are some good coaches and kids in the bay area but I think they’re “victims of circumstance.” Mainly the lack of soccer culture and the insane commutes to and from practice. While kids in the bay area are commuting back and forth to practice my kid and her friends are playing with a ball AND getting cool points for doing it.
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I am not familiar with all of the Bay Area, but on the Peninsula there are 4 quality clubs where commuting isn't an issue - There are families that do travel extensive time from other parts of NorCal to play for those 4 clubs, but there are others that only need to go 15-20 minutes in rush hour traffic to get to practice. NorCal doesn't have the extensive numbers, but there is some really good quality coaching and playing here. I am hoping something good comes of this DA breakup to get the "best" playing the "best"
 
timmyh said:
I think Tophat gets in plus one more in the NE, and that is it for 2020. Others can reapply in 2021, if they hang onto their players and remain strong.
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What makes you think they stop at two more? Not saying you are right or wrong, just curious.

I think the number of ECNL clubs right now (counting the clubs with 2 teams) is 104. There are still a few regions (Texas & Midwest) where the travel isn’t great. I was told before the DA collapsed that the ECNL expansion plan was to go to about 110 teams.
 
Surf Zombie said:
What makes you think they stop at two more? Not saying you are right or wrong, just curious.

I think the number of ECNL clubs right now (counting the clubs with 2 teams) is 104. There are still a few regions (Texas & Midwest) where the travel isn’t great. I was told before the DA collapsed that the ECNL expansion plan was to go to about 110 teams.
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Politics, mostly.

I think ECNL should invite them all and snuff out any whiff of a rival league forming up. Don't let any new clubs who want to join at this point play showcases so fields are available. Balloon to 125 clubs or so, and then slowly contract the weakest clubs over the next couple years.

However, that apparently isn't going to happen. At least not this fall.
 
The political angle has a lot of layers to it I’m sure.
if you look at the list a lot of these remaining top clubs have a direct, strong existing ECNL competitor in their neighborhood.

Top Hat - Concord Fire
FC Dallas- Solar
FC Virginia-Louden
NEFC-FC Stars of MA
Cincinnati DA-Ohio Elite
South Shore Select-Scorpions SC
Nationals-Michigan Hawks

CA clubs as well in Beach, Legends, Earth Quakes.
 
Surf Zombie said:
The political angle has a lot of layers to it I’m sure.
if you look at the list a lot of these remaining top clubs have a direct, strong existing ECNL competitor in their neighborhood.

Top Hat - Concord Fire
FC Dallas- Solar
FC Virginia-Louden
NEFC-FC Stars of MA
Cincinnati DA-Ohio Elite
South Shore Select-Scorpions SC
Nationals-Michigan Hawks

CA clubs as well in Beach, Legends, Earth Quakes.
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Exactly. Those clubs 1) don't want a strong local competitor and 2) want to poach some very good players.

Don't make the mistake of thinking ECNL is in the business of anything other than serving it's member clubs. Sometimes new club expansion benefits the member clubs and it happens. Other times, not so much, and it ain't happening.
 
Surf Zombie said:
The political angle has a lot of layers to it I’m sure.
if you look at the list a lot of these remaining top clubs have a direct, strong existing ECNL competitor in their neighborhood.

Top Hat - Concord Fire
FC Dallas- Solar
FC Virginia-Louden
NEFC-FC Stars of MA
Cincinnati DA-Ohio Elite
South Shore Select-Scorpions SC
Nationals-Michigan Hawks

CA clubs as well in Beach, Legends, Earth Quakes.
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good analysis. thinking of the amount of time the powers to be at those clubs are spending talking to ECNL, each other, their coaches, their parents.....
 
Surf Zombie said:
The political angle has a lot of layers to it I’m sure.
if you look at the list a lot of these remaining top clubs have a direct, strong existing ECNL competitor in their neighborhood.

Top Hat - Concord Fire
FC Dallas- Solar
FC Virginia-Louden
NEFC-FC Stars of MA
Cincinnati DA-Ohio Elite
South Shore Select-Scorpions SC
Nationals-Michigan Hawks

CA clubs as well in Beach, Legends, Earth Quakes.
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You think Solar/Sting, Concord, and Louden aren't kicking their chops at the prospect of the dozens of YNT level players at Tophat, FC Dallas, and FC Virginia who are suddenly nervous about an uncertain future?

There are zero soccer reasons to exclude Tophat and FCD from a league that purports to be the best-of-the-best. There are, however, $pecific ve$ted inter$t$ who have lot$ of non-$occer rea$on$ to exclude them. Same thing that is happening to Beach and Legends.
 
timmyh said:
You think Solar/Sting, Concord, and Louden aren't kicking their chops at the prospect of the dozens of YNT level players at Tophat, FC Dallas, and FC Virginia who are suddenly nervous about an uncertain future?

There are zero soccer reasons to exclude Tophat and FCD from a league that purports to be the best-of-the-best. There are, however, $pecific ve$ted inter$t$ who have lot$ of non-$occer rea$on$ to exclude them. Same thing that is happening to Beach and Legends.
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Never really thought about it that way...interesting.
 
There's literally no other country in the World so vested in creating leagues and clubs to help develop kids who aren't good enough to go pro! Can you imagine any clubs in the rest of the World that are worth their salt touting "We've got kids going to College" Lol. People come on here like they're deciding the future of the game for the rest of the World. Soccer in the US is small potatoes and the USSF and equally at the youth level have been publicly "found out" 10 years too late. Come on people we can do better. Put your kids with the best coaches and lets stop this nonsense
 
timmyh said:
You think Solar/Sting, Concord, and Louden aren't kicking their chops at the prospect of the dozens of YNT level players at Tophat, FC Dallas, and FC Virginia who are suddenly nervous about an uncertain future?

There are zero soccer reasons to exclude Tophat and FCD from a league that purports to be the best-of-the-best. There are, however, $pecific ve$ted inter$t$ who have lot$ of non-$occer rea$on$ to exclude them. Same thing that is happening to Beach and Legends.
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IDK but my kids club peeled Pareja from FCD before he was fired and went to Orlando. Pareja is known for ability to work with young players...do you think it’s possible FCD is in a downward spiral after Pareja left?
 
Sunil Illuminati said:
There's literally no other country in the World so vested in creating leagues and clubs to help develop kids who aren't good enough to go pro! Can you imagine any clubs in the rest of the World that are worth their salt touting "We've got kids going to College" Lol. People come on here like they're deciding the future of the game for the rest of the World. Soccer in the US is small potatoes and the USSF and equally at the youth level have been publicly "found out" 10 years too late. Come on people we can do better. Put your kids with the best coaches and lets stop this nonsense
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Most people on this site have already found a good coach and good teammates.

The question is whether we let those teams play each other, or we tear apart those teams in a big shuffle.

In a shuffle, the ECNL teams get torn apart, too. Every DA player who switches is an ECNL player who gets cut.

I dont know why any parent would think it is a good idea to let the clubs control this. They clearly do not share our interests.
 
Kicker4Life said:
You should see the frenzy in SoCal.
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And this is why any new national league of ex-DA clubs is unlikely to flourish without it being something special like being fully funded. These clubs that once were "top 40" are conceivably just a few weeks from no longer having their top players wearing their badge anymore.

US Soccer completely hosed their DA clubs by not negotiating a soft landing for them inside ECNL prior to folding up shop. What probably would have been an easy negotiation two months ago became impossible when they instead blindsided their membership and booted everyone. Pathetic and they should be ashamed.
 
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