Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

SoccerGuru said:
So what do they do? Also, was Solar let in? I did not see an announcement
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Solar was already in. Their 2nd teams played ECNL. Next year they will shift the DA teams over to ECNL, and their ECNL teams will become ECRL teams. Not sure anyone knows what FC Dallas is going to do yet (probably try and get into ECNL would be my guess).
 
timmyh said:
Solar was already in. Their 2nd teams played ECNL. Next year they will shift the DA teams over to ECNL, and their ECNL teams will become ECRL teams. Not sure anyone knows what FC Dallas is going to do yet (probably try and get into ECNL would be my guess).
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I thought somebody posted on here yesterday a letter to FC dallas club members announcing that they got in?
 
myself said:
Not a Blues fan, but what you believe is irrelevant. Their track record speaks for itself.
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OK, forget beliefs. How about what we know and have experienced? I am going to include Slammers here since my family has experience with both. No development, no understanding of formations or strategy, very good at making kool aid and serving it. Legends, Pats, LAG all have very good training programs but Blues and Slammers are still the winners because they attract the best players and hence they get college rides and the whole cycle continues. Don't get me wrong, Blues and Slammers do have some good coaches; but, when you get at the higher age to teach strategy, hone skills, etc. the DOC's and beer buddies are the coaches and they teach NOTHING on the top teams. Been there, not a belief - an experience. It will take a while for this to change if it even does - I thought the free soccer at Pats and LAG might help but the DOCs at the other clubs threw insults and threats at the kids when they found out they went to tryouts and kids that did leave were portrayed by the DOCs as liars and dumb . It was nice seeing some of the LAFC, Blues, and Slammers join Pats and Legends the past couple of years. Of course those kids already had scholarships....
 
LadiesMan217 said:
OK, forget beliefs. How about what we know and have experienced? I am going to include Slammers here since my family has experience with both. No development, no understanding of formations or strategy, very good at making kool aid and serving it. Legends, Pats, LAG all have very good training programs but Blues and Slammers are still the winners because they attract the best players and hence they get college rides and the whole cycle continues. Don't get me wrong, Blues and Slammers do have some good coaches; but, when you get at the higher age to teach strategy, hone skills, etc. the DOC's and beer buddies are the coaches and they teach NOTHING on the top teams. Been there, not a belief - an experience. It will take a while for this to change if it even does - I thought the free soccer at Pats and LAG might help but the DOCs at the other clubs threw insults and threats at the kids when they found out they went to tryouts and kids that did leave were portrayed by the DOCs as liars and dumb . It was nice seeing some of the LAFC, Blues, and Slammers join Pats and Legends the past couple of years. Of course those kids already had scholarships....
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What coach did you dd have at Blues? Slammers? Are you more in favor of robo coaching? Formations, cones and all that development? I watched WC and his LAFC team vs Strikers ECNL game video the other day ((trying to find some highlight for my dd new video I'm getting from a cool dad here)) and they played some really good possession soccer. We did win 2-1. They had the ball more but we won...lol! We won and that's why were the champs!!!
 
azsnowrider said:
Don't forget Steve Malik who owns that club, And guess what board he sits on? US Soccer.......
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I know I sound naive, but I think we may see some positive changes coming out of this group. Just from being on this board, I now realize how difficult their jobs are. I felt like a fish flip-flopping on both sides of the issues as I read the forum post. If people could get out of their feelings and use more logic, they would see that all sides have a few valid points. I wouldn’t want a job at USSF because it’s one of those jobs that you can never get right because no matter what you do you’re gonna piss someone off.
 
Ellejustus said:
GDA was 100% closed to public schools kids unless you gave up your peers, don;t play for your hs and so on. That is why this USSF company failed. 100%. If they allow HS we would be hearing why GDA won;t let so and so club in. Jay was making $700,000+ a year and that was an issue. He takes off and Mr Wilson steps in. He gets hit with all this stuff he had no idea about two weeks ago. Cindy and Ernie had no clue too. Classic blame everyone. I blamed everything on the USSF and I still do. ECNL is a private company, that's their right.
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Cindy was the Vice President of US Soccer, so she knew all and was complicit. She stepped into the role of president, after the other stepped down. My tinfoil hat says this was a calculated take over. :D

She was elected as Vice President of U.S. Soccer in February of 2019
 
MacDre said:
I know I sound naive, but I think we may see some positive changes coming out of this group. Just from being on this board, I now realize how difficult their jobs are. I felt like a fish flip-flopping on both sides of the issues as I read the forum post. If people could get out of their feelings and use more logic, they would see that all sides have a few valid points. I wouldn’t want a job at USSF because it’s one of those jobs that you can never get right because no matter what you do you’re gonna piss someone off.
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Remember the old days of "Selection Sunday" for March madness that was done behind closed doors? We had to go to 64 to stop pissing people off and open it up for all to see. I also believe much good will come form all this. This is harsh and so painful. Plus were waiting on having our Grand, Grand Re-Opening for America soon.
 
dad4 said:
Because I’m bored sick with the stupid coronavirus.
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Might as well go out speaking from your heart bro. I like dad of 4. You have opinions and you speak them :) I hope you feel better. When we all get out of this mess, we should all go and grab some beers and laugh this off. The fact is, if someone tried to attack our country, I would die for all of you. However, if your playing at a rival club, I still want my dd team to win. Let's make this better somehow is my thoughts.
 
MacDre said:
I know I sound naive, but I think we may see some positive changes coming out of this group. Just from being on this board, I now realize how difficult their jobs are. I felt like a fish flip-flopping on both sides of the issues as I read the forum post. If people could get out of their feelings and use more logic, they would see that all sides have a few valid points. I wouldn’t want a job at USSF because it’s one of those jobs that you can never get right because no matter what you do you’re gonna piss someone off.
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I agree it's a thankless job along with coach and DOC someone is never going to be happy. This applies to all youth sports, college, pro, you are either loved or hated. My opinion, but it seems people are starting to open their eyes though to what has gone on at US Soccer. Many on this board know, but the average soccer parent is starting to pay attention.
 
dad4 said:
I'm not saying they don't win. I'm saying there is no way to give credit for coaching without also giving credit for recruiting players using ECNL as bait. The first deserves respect. The second doesn't. And both are at the core of Blues.
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You have the world so backwards. The fact that Blues built a very successful business model out of a youth sport deserves a ton of respect, while winning a u11 game deserves none. Five minutes after provincial people like yourself are selling the prospect of more victory in U11 games to your existing customers, Blues is in the parking lot selling them the opportunity to go to Stanford or UCLA at not much higher a price point. They’re winning over your customers in large part because of the years of expensive R&D they put into the proprietary technology (ECNL) they invented and subsequently perfected, while you lacked the foresight to do it yourself and were too cheap and lazy to put the necessary resources into it.

Even more crazy is that Blues is expanding its business by selling its excellent product to your customers while you refuse to even try to sell your own product. Rather, you think it is beneath you (aka unethical), and you think that winning U11 games will sell itself compared to Blues is selling a real chance at Stanford or UCLA.

Building its club must have been like shooting fish in a barrel. Perhaps never in history has there been so much opportunity in an industry with competitors operated by such idiots. Blues is competing against companies that won’t even sell their own products.
 
JuliVeee said:
Beach being on the outside looking in on ECNL is fitting. Couldn't have happened to a better club imo. Rotten to the core.
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I'm still fairly surprised that nobody from Legends or Beach DA have commented in this forum regarding what they are hearing from those clubs. I have not asked my friends who have kids in those programs what they are hearing out of respect. I have heard from them that things are bad but just general comments regarding not knowing anything. Interesting that Beach has scrubbed its website of all mention of the DA, when it used to be displayed everywhere, but Legends still has the DA badge prominently displayed.
 
EOTL said:
The question you’re really asking is whether we should artificially lower the cost of soccer. The free market has decided exactly how much soccer development costs. It is the amount that clubs like Blues, Surf and Slammers charge plus travel costs. I know that because that’s what is actually happening. Youth soccer development is expensive. It is expensive to pay the coaches. It is expensive to rent fields. It is expensive to get enough good competition and training partners in the same place at the same time. Why are you arguing about the price of dope? It costs what it costs.

I see a lot of people like you claiming other people should provide elite training for free, but I don’t see any of you stepping up to the plate and doing it yourselves. It’s always about what other people can do for you for free, followed by frustration when no one ever does. If this is so important to you, go for it @dad4. Quit your job. Be the one who gives your time and money away and tosses your life away just so a girl can play soccer at SDSU instead of just being a student there.

The other thing, which some others have touched on, is that putting money and time into youth soccer as a means of lifting children out of poverty is no different than flushing money down the toilet. If you want to help society, put your money into early childhood education. Why do you want to make kids who have no interest in soccer play it? Why should they play soccer instead of basketball or softball? Play the violin? Join the school robotics team? It seems to me that, among these options, soccer is the absolute worst option of the bunch.
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I've always thought that elite girls soccer in the US is not "selling" soccer development, its selling college placement. That's the product and what parents are chasing. Soccer development, per se, isn't expensive. The best, most intelligent, most skillful players don't come from backgrounds where anyone invested vast sums in them before they were discovered. Most, if not all, the best players are not that way due to coaches. Coaches can nurture it, but they can't and don't create it for the best. Coaches can make players better, never great IMO.

Clubs of elite girls teams sell access to college coaches through the platform, their reputation and their (& their coaches) contacts. They charge a lot for that, and can get it because people are prepared to pay it - market forces obviously.

For parents to play, they need to get their DD placed on an elite team, and then have the $ resources to support that for club fees, team fees, travel expenses and probably privates. Their goal is a club and coach with a reputation to maximize the college placement.

There are obviously rare exceptions who may get scholarships.

The barrier to entry is $ (for parents) - kids being equal. US soccer wanted to change that with GDA, but they are idiots and are focused on the exceptions and not the product everyone else is buying, i.e. soccer development vs college placement. That barrier eliminates many talented and undoubtedly in many cases, more talented kids.

It is what it is. Maybe the MLS will do a better job because they are businesses investing in themselves directly (don't have to buy players) or by selling (DA) players to fund their DA. They won't do that for NWSL as there's no $ in it.

ECNL has proven their ability to deliver their product. The cost is the cost, tough shit if you can't pay it.
 
azsnowrider said:
I agree it's a thankless job along with coach and DOC someone is never going to be happy. This applies to all youth sports, college, pro, you are either loved or hated. My opinion, but it seems people are starting to open their eyes though to what has gone on at US Soccer. Many on this board know, but the average soccer parent is starting to pay attention.
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I was on a mission. I had it in for USSF. I started looking for dirt and I found a hard working honest Dr. that works across the hall from my wife. My wife likes the guy and my wife doesn’t like anybody including me.

Next, I found out that Mr. Malik has made a person from my hood a millionaire several times over. I reached out to this person and they think highly of Malik. I’m kinda stuck on stupid now because I expected to find something shady but I didn’t. I guess time will tell.
 
EOTL said:
You have the world so backwards. The fact that Blues built a very successful business model out of a youth sport deserves a ton of respect, while winning a u11 game deserves none. Five minutes after provincial people like yourself are selling the prospect of more victory in U11 games to your existing customers, Blues is in the parking lot selling them the opportunity to go to Stanford or UCLA at not much higher a price point. They’re winning over your customers in large part because of the years of expensive R&D they put into the proprietary technology (ECNL) they invented and subsequently perfected, while you lacked the foresight to do it yourself and were too cheap and lazy to put the necessary resources into it.

Even more crazy is that Blues is expanding its business by selling its excellent product to your customers while you refuse to even try to sell your own product. Rather, you think it is beneath you (aka unethical), and you think that winning U11 games will sell itself compared to Blues is selling a real chance at Stanford or UCLA.

Building its club must have been like shooting fish in a barrel. Perhaps never in history has there been so much opportunity in an industry with competitors operated by such idiots. Blues is competing against companies that won’t even sell their own products.
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I am not on the staff at a club. I am a parent who hates driving past good teams to go play weak teams.

And I can respect the kids who win a U7 AYSO game. Good for them. Same goes for U11, or any other year and level.

Building a great business is fine, depending on the damage done along the way. Creating a profitable business by reducing competiton and raising costs may be effective, but the world respects Nobel more than Rockefeller.

As for Stanford, I‘m sure Blues had more ACL tears than Stanford signings last year. I’m sure it isn’t part of the sales pitch, either. But it is more important.
 
whatithink said:
I've always thought that elite girls soccer in the US is not "selling" soccer development, its selling college placement. That's the product and what parents are chasing. Soccer development, per se, isn't expensive. The best, most intelligent, most skillful players don't come from backgrounds where anyone invested vast sums in them before they were discovered. Most, if not all, the best players are not that way due to coaches. Coaches can nurture it, but they can't and don't create it for the best. Coaches can make players better, never great IMO.

Clubs of elite girls teams sell access to college coaches through the platform, their reputation and their (& their coaches) contacts. They charge a lot for that, and can get it because people are prepared to pay it - market forces obviously.

For parents to play, they need to get their DD placed on an elite team, and then have the $ resources to support that for club fees, team fees, travel expenses and probably privates. Their goal is a club and coach with a reputation to maximize the college placement.

There are obviously rare exceptions who may get scholarships.

The barrier to entry is $ (for parents) - kids being equal. US soccer wanted to change that with GDA, but they are idiots and are focused on the exceptions and not the product everyone else is buying, i.e. soccer development vs college placement. That barrier eliminates many talented and undoubtedly in many cases, more talented kids.

It is what it is. Maybe the MLS will do a better job because they are businesses investing in themselves directly (don't have to buy players) or by selling (DA) players to fund their DA. They won't do that for NWSL as there's no $ in it.

ECNL has proven their ability to deliver their product. The cost is the cost, tough shit if you can't pay it.
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Good takes. Tad wants to win at U11, u12, u13 and every year. He teaches life, be a good a kid and work hard so you can go to college. He used to tell me this is a business. He would ask me, "Who are the customers?" I would say, "The kids?" He would say, "No, its the parents." Then he would ask me, "what do the parents want?" I would say, "win?" He would say, "no, they want their kid playing in college." Blues does not sell YNT access, ODP, Pro. They sell college and there's nothing wrong with that. I confessed here many times I was going for the best coach for my dd and win state cup, A Naty and go unto the pros and YNT.....lol. I see more everyday how foolish I was. It all smacked me in the face when she was in 8th grade. I will spare you all the rest of the story....lol
 
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