Yeah it's called the DPL, its already in existence....
Good point.
Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA
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Good point.
How many times are you going to misuse the terms “monopoly” and “corrupt”? Not getting what you want simply because you’re too cheap to pay for it does not make a company either of those things. There are literally thousands of youth soccer clubs that don’t play ECNL and hundreds of leagues. Even those that do play ECNL typically have teams playing in other leagues. To the extent you keep getting bent out of shape that the best clubs have no interest in playing the lesser ones that you were willing to pay for, that is your problem. You get what you pay for.
You might have something there. You might also be ignoring the obvious fact that when a group of clubs declares themselves to be too good to play anyone outside their exclusive group they will be suspected of trying to pull a fast one.
You are 2 years behind. West Coast became oc surf 2 years ago. They recently announced (3 months ago) that they are going back to West Coast FC.
I guess 3 months behind...
futboldad1
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Bro.....this is based on a lot more than that tweet........if you know people in the know, ask them and they'll tell you.....the second half of your posting I agree with.....time will tell I suppose
Not sure how it is in SoCal, but there are other regions around the country where ECNL teams regularly play outside of ECNL. ECNL has no rules that prevent ECNL teams from playing outside competition. In NorCal, ECNL teams play in NPL in conjunction with ECNL. This is actually a selling point, since it allows players who get less playing time in ECNL to play more in NPL games which is great for their development.
sirfootyalot
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It’s not a rumor. It’s a done deal. DA will be terminated next week. Again, Covid situation certainly didn’t help, but the main issue was the USWNT lawsuit. They will no longer be able to operate with something like 40-60 mil they’ll have to shell out.
futboldad1
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Thinking out loud, averaging a club's position across the 5 ECNL age groups and doing the same for the GDA clubs might be a good way to decide what GDA clubs deserve admittance and which ECNL clubs, if any, are removed......some people on this forum put together some great stat sheets so that may be an interesting one to see.......but if even just one of Surf, Beach or Legends is accepted to the ECNL it is going to make any other league very much tier 2......this is not to put down Tier 2 as DDs will still be able to play soccer just not at the highest level unless they themselves are highest level.....
outside!
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I am not sure why you keep attacking me personally and calling me cheap. My players are done with all of this and I did pay for one of them to play on a top level team and travel all over the country. That team that was good enough to give a serious game to any team in the country in their age group and they beat Surf's ECNL National Champs at their own tournament. Where do your players play?
As to misusing the terms "monopoly" and "corrupt", how exactly would you label the Surf/ECNL partnership in San Diego county prior to the formation of GDA?
Why are you so in favor of closed leagues? Are you afraid of some local competition like Surf appeared to be back when my player was playing? Are you somehow making money from ECNL?
DPL's selling point was that it was for players who had potential to play on the DA team. A bit less restrictive with mandatory 4x practice and not quite as much travel. If that carrot of being moved to the DA team is gone - Why would DPL still exist?Yeah it's called the DPL, its already in existence
We'll have ECNL for the top players.
ECNL Regional League - Maybe they'll allow more than 1 team per club
NPL - Do they make a move and try to become the top league for non-ECNL teams? It's mostly a Spring league is So Cal- is this the same way it is across the country? Do they try and create a year round option?
SCDSL/Coast- Do they get back some of their mojo by bringing back to top teams/players that are fed up? Do they create another tier of Flight 1?
I was wondering about that myself. It seems USSF can either settle for big money or continue to pay lawyers big money and then lose big money in court. Either way, they will have to cut expenses, so let's start with trimming the useless parts.
Lots of questions.
Link to the "DA being terminated next week?" There sure is a lot of smoke pointing to that, but it's still all rumors.
Also, some of this doesn't add up to me regarding the lawsuit breaking the Federation. First of all, the lawsuit is still in the courtss and most feel the Federation is more likely than not to win it.
Isn't the Federation sitting on 9 figures of cash? And why is running the DA so expensive for them? The clubs carry the majority of costs, don't they? Isn't the Federation just hosting a few showcases and playoffs?
Help me understand.
Eagle33
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DA on a boys side with MLS clubs only will be a logistical nightmare. We only have 2 MLS teams locally in LA, which means a lot of traveling for those boys to play games. Those teams will have to be just like reserve teams for European teams. I don't know if MLS will be able to sustain the cost of this.
I'm suspecting USL teams will be starting their own Boys youth league.....
I'm suspecting USL teams will be starting their own Boys youth league.....
sirfootyalot
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Yes, USSF does have about 100 million in their reserve, but they are losing god awful amount of it as we speak. They’ve mismanaged massively with the DA(I don’t know the exact amount, but they’ve been losing somewhere in 7 figures at least with the GDA annually) and with this lawsuit, they don’t have much of a choice. I must add that they deserve to be where they are with the way they’ve handled things imo.
jpeter
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USL previous planned to start the A league this fall & already had West & East cup regionals
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Amateur contract in USL allows players to still be eligible for college play, high school, other levels like USL 2
But again, the DA isn't supposed to be a money maker. This isn't the for-profit ECNL. The DA is designed to be a money loser and is a place for the Federation to invest dollars for the hopeful return of developing better players. It seems flimsy that the reason for killing the DA is that costs were surprisingly spiraling out of control (nor should Covid-19 be having an outsized impact given the business model).
There's plenty of money to see out a lawsuit that they likely win and still stand up the DA. Perhaps the Federation doesn't want to invest in the DA anymore, and there's good reasons for why that might be, but it seems to me the argument that their hand is being forced due to financial ruin is questionable.
You get an F- in Business 101. If there are a “bunch of mini-monopolies”, this means there are no monopolies at all. Clubs still have tremendous incentive to provide value to their customers because there are so many other options. If Blues doesn’t float your boat for any reason, there are other ECNL clubs. If you don’t want want to pay what it costs to play for an ECNL club, go to any of the other multitude of clubs. If your kid isn’t good enough to play ECNL, also go to one of those clubs, or play on a lower team at a club that has ECNL.
An open system of promotion/relegation makes no financial sense for ECNL clubs. At most, you’ll see ECNL provide a (still closed) system of maybe two tiers but probably not even that on the girls side. Why? If it can slay the US Soccer dragon without them, why would it screw up a system that works?
The successful business model of ECNL depends on the high quality of the member clubs. But even if they do go to two tiers, they still aren’t going to let any yahoo team with a 12-year old superstar into their league. You keep demanding access to things that cost a lot of money without having to pay for it and without doing the work to earn it.
When are you going to figure out that ECNL does not care that your daughter’s team U12 team is really good? They care only that member clubs are financially stable, which is necessary to ensure members can pay the substantial costs necessary to participate, and also that clubs can regularly field quality and committed teams at all age levels.
You also claim ECNL was created to extract money from the pockets of parents, which is just dumb. Really dumb. Just like virtually every single legitimate business in America, ECNL was created to provide a service or goods in exchange for compensation, and in a sustainable manner that allows the business to reap an appropriate profit. The ECNL/GDA battle is a perfect example of the market working. GDA was financially unsustainable, so it failed. ECNL and all the other SoCal youth soccer leagues that remain are financial sustainable and, go figure, they still exist. If ECNL becomes inefficient and stops proving good value for the market - as it did when it excluded too many SD clubs - rivals like GDA will again rise up to fill the gap. Maybe the next one won’t be as dumb as USSF.
jpeter
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Losing the lawsuit is pretty much financial ruin. They either going to have to settle, cut losses and be under some strict decrees or they will fight lose more $$ and gamble they don't get dismantled, go broke in the process. Marketing $$ does,nt come in when nobody is playing. Big negative this year on the budget
Who said I am in favor of closed leagues? I am just telling you that an open system of promotion/relegation makes zero financial sense. Surf and the other original ECNL clubs spent millions of dollars and put thousands of hours of hard work into developing the ECNL platform. Oversimplying somewhat, they also owned it. They did the work, made the investment and took the risk, so they get to decide who participates in what they built. You don’t get to take what others created and worked hard to turn into something meaningful just because your (formerly) 12 year old daughter played on a team that had a couple really good pre-pubescent kiddos who dominated their opponents. You and your club did nothing to earn or deserve a spot in ECNL. In other words, I call you cheap because you keep claiming you were entitled to benefits of admission without having to pay the price of admission.
I don’t talk about my kid(s) here. My self-esteem does not depend on whether or how well my kid(s) play a child’s sport, or whether anyone here believes me. I am perfectly happy knowing I was always right that GDA was doomed to fail, that scheduling April showcases in CO is dumb because it snows there, and that the pill almost certainly reduces the risk of ACL injuries, among many other things. If you don’t want to listen, don’t. It’s more fun for me to make fun of you when you keep denying the weather even when you’re a foot deep in the snow.