Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

Lifeisnotfare said:
I forgot about you until you came back today and I was the only one to welcome you back. Be nice dummy. You know if I call you stupid, it's because you are. I'm stupid too so welcome to the club dummy. Were all a bunch of miss fits who get a second chance. Smack talk is all good with me you stupid soccer dad. Get a hold of yourself and start being normal. My God Outlaw, stop trying to be right all the time. BTW, when is your team coming down South to ball?
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I'm inclined to think your goat is a little older than mine. We're just getting into the recruiting game and I believe you're in the middle or on the way out of yours. Maybe Surf but, at this point, "South" may have to be Vegas.
 
Not sure if MAP is still available for ideas, suggestions about recruiting- or maybe others with experience-
With a complete lack of GAME footage (other than some sideline highlights I’ve got) are coaches at all interested in seeing training? Or are we SOL till next season?
 
Giesbock said:
Not sure if MAP is still available for ideas, suggestions about recruiting- or maybe others with experience-
With a complete lack of GAME footage (other than some sideline highlights I’ve got) are coaches at all interested in seeing training? Or are we SOL till next season?
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I would PM MAP. I’m sure he reads a bit and would see you were trying to contact him.
 
Giesbock said:
Not sure if MAP is still available for ideas, suggestions about recruiting- or maybe others with experience-
With a complete lack of GAME footage (other than some sideline highlights I’ve got) are coaches at all interested in seeing training? Or are we SOL till next season?
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Just sent you a PM
 
Q for anyone on here to be helpful - when the schools have 14 scholarships, is that tuition plus room/board? So a school that has tuition of $50k and $20k for room, then do they have $70k to hand out so they could give $35k to two different kids? Or do they only have the $50k to hand out.
 
gotothebushes said:
Q for anyone on here to be helpful - when the schools have 14 scholarships, is that tuition plus room/board? So a school that has tuition of $50k and $20k for room, then do they have $70k to hand out so they could give $35k to two different kids? Or do they only have the $50k to hand out.
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My understanding is that their scholarship budget is based on tuition only. When people talk about "full ride" it's almost never truly "full ride" the way we parents imagine it. They do have the ability to award dollar amounts, so coaches can get creative and cover things in addition to tuition. Books, room and board, etc. But the dollar amount when saying we have "x scholarships" available, is based on tuition cost. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone with more knowledge here will correct me.
 
gotothebushes said:
Q for anyone on here to be helpful - when the schools have 14 scholarships, is that tuition plus room/board? So a school that has tuition of $50k and $20k for room, then do they have $70k to hand out so they could give $35k to two different kids? Or do they only have the $50k to hand out.
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If you're in serious talks and offers are being floated, then you will need to make sure you hear the phrase "total cost of attendance". This means the whole nugget (room/board and tuition). It is true that 100% is very rarely given, but make sure that whatever the percetage you're agreeing to is under the umbrella of total cost of attendance, in terms of the language being used for the offer. Hope this helps.
 
Mystery Train said:
My understanding is that their scholarship budget is based on tuition only. When people talk about "full ride" it's almost never truly "full ride" the way we parents imagine it. They do have the ability to award dollar amounts, so coaches can get creative and cover things in addition to tuition. Books, room and board, etc. But the dollar amount when saying we have "x scholarships" available, is based on tuition cost. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone with more knowledge here will correct me.
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NCAA allows the limited number of scholarships to be computed against the full cost to be borne otherwise by the student or family including room and board, mandatory fees, and some incidental expenses. Any school's budget may be limited to a lower amount than this, and it may be sliced up any way the coach and athletic director want it. student-athlete and his family do not usually know what the awards for others in the program might have been (except by talk amongst the teammates). You can get some information on athletic department expenditures from the public schools, but very little from the big private schools unless they are just bragging.
 
Thanks -- that's all helpful. I have a different question.

I was speaking with a friend who is a college coach (not soccer, another non-headcout sport) at a major D1 university. He said that you can't mix academic aid and sports scholarships. The reason for this is the NCAA doesn't want scholarships getting handed to athletes with a wink and a nod to circumvent the scholarship caps. Previously, I had heard it was possible to get academic/merit-based aid in addition to the scholarships. Anyone have experience with this??
 
gotothebushes said:
Q for anyone on here to be helpful - when the schools have 14 scholarships, is that tuition plus room/board? So a school that has tuition of $50k and $20k for room, then do they have $70k to hand out so they could give $35k to two different kids? Or do they only have the $50k to hand out.
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In theory, based on your scenario they have $70k to give. In equivalency sports, the max number of scholarships is intended to mean full scholarships. For women’s soccer, that’s 14 full cost of attendance (room/board, fees, books, tuition) for fully funded programs. However, not every program is fully funded, so the actual amount of money a coach has to give out varies by school even amongst D1 women’s soccer programs. That gets further complicated by the amount of academic aid students on athletic scholarship might be receiving, because there is a max number of counters as well as a max number of scholarships, and academic money given to scholarship athletes usually counts against the scholarship limit (this is recently changed because of covid). Crystal clear, right?
 
gotothebushes said:
Thanks -- that's all helpful. I have a different question.

I was speaking with a friend who is a college coach (not soccer, another non-headcout sport) at a major D1 university. He said that you can't mix academic aid and sports scholarships. The reason for this is the NCAA doesn't want scholarships getting handed to athletes with a wink and a nod to circumvent the scholarship caps. Previously, I had heard it was possible to get academic/merit-based aid in addition to the scholarships. Anyone have experience with this??
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We were told that is true for certain (most?) schools/university systems. However, it's different when you're talking private vs. state, and NAIA as well, which does not operate under the NCAA umbrella. I *think* it's different for private schools, where they can have a mix? Or maybe the other way around? It's been a couple of years now since those conversations with coaches, and I've tried to erase most of that experience from memory. lol
 
Mystery Train said:
We were told that is true for certain (most?) schools/university systems. However, it's different when you're talking private vs. state, and NAIA as well, which does not operate under the NCAA umbrella. I *think* it's different for private schools, where they can have a mix? Or maybe the other way around? It's been a couple of years now since those conversations with coaches, and I've tried to erase most of that experience from memory. lol
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A simple view that was true once, and may not be any more -- If there is NY athletic dept money awarded, then the total of all scholarships, grants, aetc cannot exceed the total cost of attendance.
 
espola said:
A simple view that was true once, and may not be any more -- If there is NY athletic dept money awarded, then the total of all scholarships, grants, aetc cannot exceed the total cost of attendance.
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Hey Espola, I have a soccer question or two for you or your boy in regards to todays college life for a recruit. Would you have your son wait until signing day his Sr year and make the Big Decision then, in front of High School friends? Also, would you want him to take three official visits and meet the coach and team and all that important stuff before verbal? I'm curious what Espola would say, thanks :)
 
gotothebushes said:
Thanks -- that's all helpful. I have a different question.

I was speaking with a friend who is a college coach (not soccer, another non-headcout sport) at a major D1 university. He said that you can't mix academic aid and sports scholarships. The reason for this is the NCAA doesn't want scholarships getting handed to athletes with a wink and a nod to circumvent the scholarship caps. Previously, I had heard it was possible to get academic/merit-based aid in addition to the scholarships. Anyone have experience with this??
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My daughter has both an athletic scholarship and an academic scholarship and she goes to a public D1 school. They are completely independent and I am not sure the coach knows about the academic scholarship nor did those rewarding that scholarship knew she was an athlete. The only place this comes together is in her financial statements. Right now this is slightly less than a full ride but if it was more my understanding is that the school would withhold anything more than the 100%.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
My daughter has both an athletic scholarship and an academic scholarship and she goes to a public D1 school. They are completely independent and I am not sure the coach knows about the academic scholarship nor did those rewarding that scholarship knew she was an athlete. The only place this comes together is in her financial statements. Right now this is slightly less than a full ride but if it was more my understanding is that the school would withhold anything more than the 100%.
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Thanks Simi! I believe private schools is a bit different!
 
gotothebushes said:
Thanks -- that's all helpful. I have a different question.

I was speaking with a friend who is a college coach (not soccer, another non-headcout sport) at a major D1 university. He said that you can't mix academic aid and sports scholarships. The reason for this is the NCAA doesn't want scholarships getting handed to athletes with a wink and a nod to circumvent the scholarship caps. Previously, I had heard it was possible to get academic/merit-based aid in addition to the scholarships. Anyone have experience with this??
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You can absolutely combine academic and athletic aid, and only the athletic aid counts against the soccer program. Most kids are on some combination. The key in receiving any aid outside of that awarded by the soccer program is that it is not based on athletic ability. So if a prospect earns the academic scholarship by meeting its academic criteria like any other regular student, they can receive it in addition to any athletic scholarship offered.
 
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