Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

Some people have given me grief for saying that playing for the handful of queen maker coaches is the best and safest way to get recruited. If you did not heed it and your kid is an uncommitted junior or senior, you may be in real trouble, as Covid-19 has closed the door on the narrow path of playing showcases, getting seen there and emailing a lot of awesome recent video. A so so player at Blues before this happened is probably in much better shape right now than a much better player at the small club who hadn’t been found yet. Oh, and now is not the time to whine about fees if you’re one of the fortunate ones at a club with a coach who only needs to make a phone call on your kid’s behalf.

If it’s that important, you might consider moving to TX or GA, hopefully getting on one of their teams there, and taking your chances with Covid-19. Or get uber aggressive with the email and phone calls, and probably end up still having to try walking where you can get in academically and isn’t a soccer power. Even walking on may be rough at a lot of schools next fall if the season doesn’t move to spring, however, because a lot of seniors will come back or play as grad transfers, leaving a lot of teams with 5 years worth of players on the team. Also don’t discount juco until roster sizes return to normal.

One more “I told you so”. I was also critical of the NCAA changing the recruiting rules so that kids could not have contact until end of sophomore year or visit until junior year, as it left kids with a very compressed time frame to educate themselves and make commitment decisions. A lot of people are probably really wishing their sophomore and junior daughters could have met with coaches as freshman and possibly committed much earlier.

Seriously, when I say it’s probably gonna snow in CO in April or GDA will fail, maybe ya’ll should listen.
Don't fall for the EOTL puffery. He/she's a Blues Homer (maybe even coach) who is stuck in the glory days of early 21st Century soccer and recruiting--when Netflix wasn't around, Blackberry was the phone of choice and mega clubs were the only game in town. If your kid is a mediocre club player then yes, they will have a better chance getting that 35th roster spot at UCLA if playing for a "queen or king maker". But if your player is good enough to start for an ECNL or MLS squad and is diligent with their academics and personal communications...2020 technology, social media, and league showcases, level the playing field and present plenty of opportunity for players to be found and join the college of their choice while playing for a club/team/coach that they enjoy.
 
Don't fall for the EOTL puffery. He/she's a Blues Homer (maybe even coach) who is stuck in the glory days of early 21st Century soccer and recruiting--when Netflix wasn't around, Blackberry was the phone of choice and mega clubs were the only game in town. If your kid is a mediocre club player then yes, they will have a better chance getting that 35th roster spot at UCLA if playing for a "queen or king maker". But if your player is good enough to start for an ECNL or MLS squad and is diligent with their academics and personal communications...2020 technology, social media, and league showcases, level the playing field and present plenty of opportunity for players to be found and join the college of their choice while playing for a club/team/coach that they enjoy.
Best take ever Mr Canada. Blues homer and does not like me at all or my little baby girl that was at Blues and then left to the competitor down south and low and behold, 4 other goats came one at a time all by their loss-oms. I got blamed for the mass exodus and I swear I never forced or even told someone to follow us. My dd is an Eagle and flies alone, not in a pack of 5. BS what these coaches will do to make someone look bad.
 
Should bear in mind that soccer is a team sport...watch top German clubs (yes, I’m biased that way) and most play is close to one touch...

Agree with @ohcanada...play with people you enjoy, find a coach you like, choose a program where you’re wanted and needed (who in their right mind wants to be player #38 on the depth chart!!??) and make damn sure you like the school soccer aside.
 
Should bear in mind that soccer is a team sport...watch top German clubs (yes, I’m biased that way) and most play is close to one touch...

Agree with @ohcanada...play with people you enjoy, find a coach you like, choose a program where you’re wanted and needed (who in their right mind wants to be player #38 on the depth chart!!??) and make damn sure you like the school soccer aside.
I interview people for a living. If you like to play soccer, watch out. It's a job and you earn every penny. If your happy being at the school and #43, then all good and so happy. If you want to play, you need serious help. I like a good and healthy coach who knows and cares about everyone.
 
It just get's worse for the 2022s. My gosh, can I get a refund on my $50,000 I spent going around through country looking for a coach to like my dd? This is insane. I guess the old Doc was right, "get your deal now before all the money dries up." That was three years ago too. Dam, I blew it for telling my baby girl who was 13 and 14 note to email. Oh well, sh*t out of luck for the 2022s and olders.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic about traveling around trying to find a coach who would like your player?
 
They really only need to stay for the fall semester. Say they were getting 50% (though if they are an impact senior they likely were getting more). School costs say $40k. That would be paying $10k for your kid to have a final season. If the coach really wants them they could increase this to say 75%. That lowers the cost to $5k. If my kid was a starter and their team was competing to win league and play in the NCAA I would pay that.
I could see more players transfer to where they want to go to grad school with a year of eligibility in hand and play there, unless their school happens to have the graduate program they are going into. This will create more scenarios for players, that is for sure.
 
A couple of folks wrote about TopDrawer rankings.
How do the kids get on the rankings? And how does one "crack the top 150"?
I thought this was something the coaches do.
 
A couple of folks wrote about TopDrawer rankings.
How do the kids get on the rankings? And how does one "crack the top 150"?
I thought this was something the coaches do.
found this for you: As far as I know, my daughter is not on Topdrawer list so not sure how that works other than either coach recommendations or parental lobbying..
 
Yeah that’s a comment I made a few days ago but it’s just me speculating... someone else commented that the foundation of the list is Made up of players who have been invited to YNT camps.
 
Yeah that’s a comment I made a few days ago but it’s just me speculating... someone else commented that the foundation of the list is Made up of players who have been invited to YNT camps.

it has more to do with clubs and whether the clubs are advocating players or submitting blurbs to TDS writers. It looks like that’s the primary element, whether the player’s name has been mentioned in a TDS article about YNT rosters, about standout players in last weekend’s games, about whatever. If your player’s club isn’t feeding the TDS writing and clicking machine, then less likelihood of a TDS rank for your player.
 
my understanding is TDS is for something outstanding that happened. Not sure how it gets there :)
My kid was mentioned while playing DA and then while playing HS. Later because of college roster.
 
A couple of folks wrote about TopDrawer rankings.
How do the kids get on the rankings? And how does one "crack the top 150"?
I thought this was something the coaches do.
Back in my DD u11 days, I used to dream of my baby goat cracking the top 150. After winning the natty, I thought for sure she would be voted in by the coaches. Nope, never. You need to pay $59 and then load up soccer stats and info. The first year of the GDA, some of the articles were written weird and too flattering imo. I know my dd got left out so I was jaded with jealousy, so any thoughts or insight from my vantage point would be tainted. Articles, awards, Camp invites from leagues, and this and that and championships. YNT List is how you crack the top 25 and get your name in front of the top D1 coaches in the country. Not sure how it will work in the future but that old way was hard and not perfect. I see girls on their that quit already or are about to. It's nice to have your kids on there and the top 25 is legit I believe. You have to pay to see the top 150 i believe...
 
My kid's experience with TDS's "Rankings" does not really match a lot of what is being discussed as "the way it works". And while schools like to use TDS rankings for their PR, I don't think the coaches use it in their recruiting - I think they use things like id2 and YNT camps (those "lists" are more important) and then the old fashioned "seeing players play". Some of this may be different in this new era (my kid was recruited under the old rules) but it is hard to know given how this "new era" has been so impacted by far fewer games, showcases, etc. What I can say is that I know plenty of kids who were not Top 150 (either at all or prior to making a verbal commitment) who earned substantial (up to full ride) scholarships. What seemed to matter more was being on an elite team and/or playing for a coach whose opinion carries weight with college coaches.
 
TDS is certainly not that end all be all for anything and the rakings can be dubious. However, if indeed your kid is identified and ranked, it's use can be advantageous. It's another "proof point" or at least thing to point to that the player can call out while communicating with college coaches. To that end, it's a good place to post accolades/articles. Profiles are free so if your DD doesn't already have one set up, probably a good idea to do it. Like DK says, there are plenty of players that aren't even on TDS that get schollys. It's just another potential marketing resource for your kid.
 
TDS rankings are a bit of a joke along with their college recruiting class rankings that are based on the player rankings. First if your player is not called to the National Team, they need a coach or club that cares about TDS and is willing to advocate to them. You can get ranked if you play in a TDS event and you happen to have a scout evaluation done. One star and two star ratings mean they have not seen you or your club is not actively advocating. After the first 15 or 20 kids it is impossible to get it right. We all know players that have had a high rating and they are not even one of the better players on their club team.

Personally, I would advise any kid trying to get recruited to never mention their ranking to a coach. Coaches don't care about this crap. They care about the quality of the team you are on, putting their eyes on your to see how good you are, and what their specific needs are at the time. Better yet, find a team with a coach who has college connections and is willing to talk to college coaches about your kid.
 
TDS rankings are a bit of a joke along with their college recruiting class rankings that are based on the player rankings. First if your player is not called to the National Team, they need a coach or club that cares about TDS and is willing to advocate to them. You can get ranked if you play in a TDS event and you happen to have a scout evaluation done. One star and two star ratings mean they have not seen you or your club is not actively advocating. After the first 15 or 20 kids it is impossible to get it right. We all know players that have had a high rating and they are not even one of the better players on their club team.

Personally, I would advise any kid trying to get recruited to never mention their ranking to a coach. Coaches don't care about this crap. They care about the quality of the team you are on, putting their eyes on your to see how good you are, and what their specific needs are at the time. Better yet, find a team with a coach who has college connections and is willing to talk to college coaches about your kid.
Agreed. I hope I didn't come across like I'm putting stock in TDS. It is really as I explained.. just a marketing point of reference. You are also correct in stating the quality of the team you're on, the coach you play for and their connections, etc... are paramount.
 
Better yet, find a team with a coach who has college connections and is willing to talk to college coaches about your kid.

I cannot stress this last sentence enough. Part of coaching "college potential" players at the club level during their recruiting years is marketing your players to college coaches. College coaches don't want to hear from parents and while they do want the players to drive the conversation once it gets started, an engaged club coach/advocate is ENORMOUS. I have seen first hand what happens when you have coaches who are responsive to college coaches and are advocates for players and what happens when club coaches don't do jack s*it to respond to calls or to assist w/a player's "list". It is not in the coach's interest for his or her player to be placed above the player's ability but it absolutely is part of the job to find the right level and then advocate for the player (D1, D2, D3, NAIA, community college). When I think of coaches who shirk that responsibility I get PISSED b/c there are kids whom I have known since U-littles who are good players and could play in college (not P5 and maybe not D1 but somewhere) who never got a sniff b/c they did not understand the process (they thought it was a "if you play in a 'college showcase', you will be seen" and that will be that, no matter the level, the colleges attending, etc.) and the coach did very little to educate them on their role and on the coach's role.

Short story: I was always the guy working the sideline for my kid's team - I put together the brochure, talked with the coaches, pointed out the younger ones (who were a HS class behind most of the kids) and the ones who were uncommitted, etc. I did it for the years after my kid committed b/c I really enjoyed it and I was able to get to know the coaches (they didn't always know my name but they knew I was my kid's dad and it was fun to talk to them about the team, about their team, about my own kid (of course) w/o the "pressure" of recruiting). I offer that by way of background b/c there was one guy from one of the SoCal clubs who was just so awesome about talking to the coaches, He was a marvel. My daughter's team matched with that club pretty much every year she played - starting at Surf Cup, two years in EGSL NorCal-SoCal showcases (when ECNL started at U14 so these were U12 and U13 events) and then every year in an ECNL showcase, so I got to watch him a lot (though not in those early years b/c we weren't doing the sideline thing). The contrast with me - just some dad who enjoyed the process, felt OK with chatting, etc. v a real "soccer guy" who knew the players and the college coaches, who had a track record individually and whose club had a big footprint - was so big. But he wasn't a dick about it - he was great. I'm not going to name him or the club (though it looks like he's no longer part of that club - not sure how long ago he would have left) b/c most of you SoCal people have more info about all the coaches and this is very much a surface-based observation (for all I know he was a monster even if he treated me well when we'd see each other in the airport). But I thought to myself, "THAT's how you do it if you are the DOC or technical director or just a coach of a team that is not playing but whose sister team is". You make the time. You do your job.

@Simisoccerfan's last sentence probably provides me with this one piece of unsolicited advice: if your kid's coach is NOT doing the legwork, find a new coach who will (it includes being able to listen when the coach gives an honest assessment of the right level).
 
I cannot stress this last sentence enough. Part of coaching "college potential" players at the club level during their recruiting years is marketing your players to college coaches. College coaches don't want to hear from parents and while they do want the players to drive the conversation once it gets started, an engaged club coach/advocate is ENORMOUS. I have seen first hand what happens when you have coaches who are responsive to college coaches and are advocates for players and what happens when club coaches don't do jack s*it to respond to calls or to assist w/a player's "list". It is not in the coach's interest for his or her player to be placed above the player's ability but it absolutely is part of the job to find the right level and then advocate for the player (D1, D2, D3, NAIA, community college). When I think of coaches who shirk that responsibility I get PISSED b/c there are kids whom I have known since U-littles who are good players and could play in college (not P5 and maybe not D1 but somewhere) who never got a sniff b/c they did not understand the process (they thought it was a "if you play in a 'college showcase', you will be seen" and that will be that, no matter the level, the colleges attending, etc.) and the coach did very little to educate them on their role and on the coach's role.

Short story: I was always the guy working the sideline for my kid's team - I put together the brochure, talked with the coaches, pointed out the younger ones (who were a HS class behind most of the kids) and the ones who were uncommitted, etc. I did it for the years after my kid committed b/c I really enjoyed it and I was able to get to know the coaches (they didn't always know my name but they knew I was my kid's dad and it was fun to talk to them about the team, about their team, about my own kid (of course) w/o the "pressure" of recruiting). I offer that by way of background b/c there was one guy from one of the SoCal clubs who was just so awesome about talking to the coaches, He was a marvel. My daughter's team matched with that club pretty much every year she played - starting at Surf Cup, two years in EGSL NorCal-SoCal showcases (when ECNL started at U14 so these were U12 and U13 events) and then every year in an ECNL showcase, so I got to watch him a lot (though not in those early years b/c we weren't doing the sideline thing). The contrast with me - just some dad who enjoyed the process, felt OK with chatting, etc. v a real "soccer guy" who knew the players and the college coaches, who had a track record individually and whose club had a big footprint - was so big. But he wasn't a dick about it - he was great. I'm not going to name him or the club (though it looks like he's no longer part of that club - not sure how long ago he would have left) b/c most of you SoCal people have more info about all the coaches and this is very much a surface-based observation (for all I know he was a monster even if he treated me well when we'd see each other in the airport). But I thought to myself, "THAT's how you do it if you are the DOC or technical director or just a coach of a team that is not playing but whose sister team is". You make the time. You do your job.

@Simisoccerfan's last sentence probably provides me with this one piece of unsolicited advice: if your kid's coach is NOT doing the legwork, find a new coach who will (it includes being able to listen when the coach gives an honest assessment of the right level).
DK, thanks for sharing. I had such an opposite experience with all that you shared, I had to go scream outside in the hills where I hike. I thinks it's best for me to just let all this go by the waste side. Interesting how this went down in the old days. I pissed the wrong person(s) off now that I understand what one parent was doing on my behalf. They talk to coach, "hey, here's the scope on so and so. Nightmare dad, dd is this and that, move on.....lol. You seem too nice of a dad to pull that sh*t and I wish I had you down here a few years ago in my dd corner and helping me get what I wanted for my dd. I was so confused when she was in 8th grade and all this pressure to email and put GPA as 8th grader on brochure. I totally understand how all this went down now. How old was the youngest that committed DK?
 
When the class of 2022 top 150 class list came out I did show my daughter. She was happy to be on there but she didn’t agree on the list for both her position (GK) or other positions. But I don’t think there’s ever a list or ranking that’s accurate. We literally haven’t talked about the list since that day. She’s also had 2-3 college coach contacts a week since June 15th and TDS ranking has come up a grand totally of 0 times in those conversations. Just to give you guys some perspective, at least from our experience.
 
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